Royal Mail and the one hour contact

[TrueBlueTerrier]

theirs 3 1hr workers or former 1 hour workers in my office wishing to take royal mail for our holidays that we are rightly due, just wondering whats the process in making a claim against them? should i send a letter detailing hours i worked and the government entitlement (law) i am due and request the money? and if no response, citizens advice/solicitor??

cheers

If you are a member of the Union then contact Simpson and Millar - through your rep - they should be able to point you in the right direction. If not the CAB are good for free advice and they usually have employment lawyers on the books as well.

[norbert]

theirs 3 1hr workers or former 1 hour workers in my office wishing to take royal mail for our holidays that we are rightly due, just wondering whats the process in making a claim against them? should i send a letter detailing hours i worked and the government entitlement (law) i am due and request the money? and if no response, citizens advice/solicitor??

cheers

Not being funny ,but before you go to a tribunal , you have to exhaust the RM grievance procedure first to give RM a sporting chance ( yes ! it's cr*p but ! ) , otherwise RM will twist everything round and make you look like a troublemaker that is too trigger happy . It is B/S but that's how RM operate .

Secondly RM will be as obstructive as possible to wear you down , however if some idiot in charge comes out with a load of old b**locks , keep that as evidence ; give RM enough rope to hang themselves with

If the Union are on the ball , they'll use that " creative accounting " scheme as good propaganda against RM ; i.e. " testlettergate " to make RM's senior management look like a bunch of spivs that are cooking the books .

Finally RM usually buckle if a " friend of a friend " leaks things to the media as they can't close ranks and try and make sh** shine

Remember in that tribunal case , RM defended their senior managers and subordinates to the very bitter end , it was laughably pathetic but that's RM

[BELIAL]

Sent you a PM with attached files along with my email address

On RM's contract of employment "it is a bonanza for lawyers" so says the judge
RM's contract of employment according to this legal ruling is a tangled mess of barely coherent contradictions.
There is one funnny bit in the contract
Clause 9.2 "Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a PUBLIC SERVICE"
Cheers whitemoor, stirling work

[DGP1]

Sent you a PM with attached files along with my email address

On RM's contract of employment "it is a bonanza for lawyers" so says the judge
RM's contract of employment according to this legal ruling is a tangled mess of barely coherent contradictions.
There is one funnny bit in the contract
Clause 9.2 "Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a PUBLIC SERVICE"
Cheers whitemoor, stirling work

Is anyone really surprised that RM is full of contradictions

[tragictramp]

anyone good with maths?, basically i can account for 1014.65 hours i worked under a 1hr contract, i know that every 10.2 hours worked i am entitled to 61mins holiday pay, so how many hours am i owed? also if this number is multiplied by say 8 pounds what cash figure am i looking for to claim back?, cheers if theirs anyone good with their sums lol

[whitemoor66]

anyone good with maths?, basically i can account for 1014.65 hours i worked under a 1hr contract, i know that every 10.2 hours worked i am entitled to 61mins holiday pay, so how many hours am i owed? also if this number is multiplied by say 8 pounds what cash figure am i looking for to claim back?, cheers if theirs anyone good with their sums lol

For example and this is what i put to the Judge in my case, based along these calculations,

If you averaged 35 hours per week over a year as a new entrant, you would be entitled to 35/40 ths of 4 weeks 2 1/2 days, ie 7/8ths of 22.5 days at £8 per hour.

22.5 x 0.875 x 8 ( hours a day) x £8 = £1260.

Have a stab at bank holidays along the same principle, I missed the boat with my timing but the Judge thought there was something in it.

By the way, expect the full works and no expense spared when RM defend it at an ET.

[tragictramp]

cheers for that mate and stuffing them in the 1st place, im more confused than ever now tho lol

[norbert]

Sent you a PM with attached files along with my email address

On RM's contract of employment "it is a bonanza for lawyers" so says the judge
RM's contract of employment according to this legal ruling is a tangled mess of barely coherent contradictions.
There is one funnny bit in the contract
Clause 9.2 "Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a PUBLIC SERVICE"
Cheers whitemoor, stirling work

Is anyone really surprised that RM is full of contradictions

bound to be , everything is purely to impress , everything to a foregone conclusion BUT ! they'll go to great lengths to disguise it . They have always regarded themselves as above the law , one reason why they've got away with it for so long is that RM have hidden behind the Official Secrets Act .

Add these two :lfo :cfo to that culture and it gets even worse .

[TrueBlueTerrier]

anyone good with maths?, basically i can account for 1014.65 hours i worked under a 1hr contract, i know that every 10.2 hours worked i am entitled to 61mins holiday pay, so how many hours am i owed? also if this number is multiplied by say 8 pounds what cash figure am i looking for to claim back?, cheers if theirs anyone good with their sums lol

Based on your figures:

1014.65 / 10.2 = 99.475

therefore

61mins x 99.475 = 6067.975 minutes or 101 hours roughly

so £8 x 101 would be £808

However this is based on the figures you provided and Whitemore is most certainly the expert on this and his formula would be the best one to use if you have all your figures to hand.

[tragictramp]

cheers people ill let u know how i get on, if i do get on lol

[tragictramp]

i contacted my local mp about the 1 hour contract and he is alledgedly going to contact royal mail regarding this and check on the legality regarding holidays etc,, whether he does or not is another issue, he's labour after all :cfo

[whitemoor66]

Good for you mate. Keep up the pressure. Keep chasing your MP, after all they are there to represent their constituents, regardless of the own beliefs. Exploitatation of any worker is wrong, and before you ask, I am in no way a militant left winger. I just hate having the piss taken out of me or anyone else for that matter as far as working conditions go.

[k979aaa]

Whitemoor pls give details or tags too our part-timers of you judgement and i commend you on your victory!. You alone have fought through hard time's more than most and we thank you for your input!.

[norbert]

Good for you mate. Keep up the pressure. Keep chasing your MP, after all they are there to represent their constituents, regardless of the own beliefs. Exploitatation of any worker is wrong, and before you ask, I am in no way a militant left winger. I just hate having the piss taken out of me or anyone else for that matter as far as working conditions go.

there's ways and means of putting pressure on RM on my enemies enemy is my friend basis OR causing a stir through the official channels , but do it with discretion as you'd obviously upset a lot of bean counters in high places & there's a lot of pressure from on high .

RM have always operated on a treat 'em mean , keep 'em keen basis , at one time people could be on cassie contracts for 18 months , or TC contracts at best , there's been a lot of division and a rigid staff hierarchy for a long time but 1hr contracts was taking the p**s .

I'm convinced that bright idea came from on very high :cfo :lfo and it was done quite deliberately , they'd this idiot who was supposed to be a DUM on the defunct Hellmail Forum in 2007 going on about a " mum's army " & ultra parttimers as " they won't moan like you lot " .

Things never go away with RM , they just stay on the backburner .

No wonder they went into the usual panic mode and used Eversheds .

Spivs , shysters , charaltans and brylcreemed gangsters .

[whitemoor66]

anyone good with maths?, basically i can account for 1014.65 hours i worked under a 1hr contract, i know that every 10.2 hours worked i am entitled to 61mins holiday pay, so how many hours am i owed? also if this number is multiplied by say 8 pounds what cash figure am i looking for to claim back?, cheers if theirs anyone good with their sums lol

Based on your figures:

1014.65 / 10.2 = 99.475

therefore

61mins x 99.475 = 6067.975 minutes or 101 hours roughly

so £8 x 101 would be £808

However this is based on the figures you provided and Whitemore is most certainly the expert on this and his formula would be the best one to use if you have all your figures to hand.

I have knocked up a simple spreadsheet which shows what a postman on a 1 hour contract would be entitled to if the reality was that he was working 40 hours a week less the annual leave that he will be paid for the 1 hour contract. I think I,ve got the hourly rate right but it doesn't matter because you can just go in and change it (D5)as you can with your average hourly day(A5.) Only you can work out your average hourly day from your payslips, even if you've only got your last one as it will tell you what you have grossed over the current finanancial year.


I have no idea how many 1 hour contracts there are nationaly but for arguments sake, say there was 100 postmen on a 1 hour contract regularly working 40 hours a week, then I would say they would have to pay 100 x £1354.86 which is in excess of 135 grand. Gives me a warm glow in my belly that one.

You could almost certainly apply this to your 8 days of public/bank holidays, but as far as I know it has not been judged in an ET.