Van Share gone - Trolleys on the way back.

[Chelseablue]

Lounge driver lizard,,,,, your comments were in very bad taste . A selfish pathetic comment , which is of no help to anyone at all . Esp the way things are going . Yeah were all in this battle together,,,

[Ozzvaldo]

I'm a driver and I don't find it stressful as me and my p&l partner non driver work together and use lwts on every loop and we haven't carried a bag for about 6 years since p&l and we put parcels and pkts , specials in the bags so we only cover the ground once and you could count on one hand how many times I use the van to deliver stuff , so I cant see a problem unless your carrying bags and delivering parcels out the van to save time ? to do extra work ? why.

I'm with you on this one. My non-driving partner is a tremendous team mate, one of the best postmen in the office.If he's first back from his loop he'll nip off with nearby large parcels on foot, organise the next bags, come and find me and help out etc. If i need to shoot off to do specials or large parcels then I just leave him with a couple of bags and a LWT and pick him up later. No problems, no arguments.

It's not so much the driving status of a particular postman, rather their attitude to the job that counts. I've worked with a number of driving posties who are completely useless, selfish and unhelpful.

[DiamondSmiles]

I think what i am most disappointed with is both LL and Kings have both put 'happy' smilies in their posts when stating they would be glad if some of their colleagues lost their jobs.

Perhaps i have been in the company too long. In the past we supported each other, maybe things are changing now

Read my posts again Diamond. I never used the word "Glad" and I have not clicked or put on any smileys. Get your facts right!

My apologies Kings, i was getting mixed up with poster loverman shagga.

[hampshireman]

in a few years there won't be any non-drivers and each of us will have our own van.

So you'd be happy if Royal Mail got rid of anybody who can't drive?

I Agree with Lounge Lizard, if you don't have a licence they will get rid of you they don't want passengers if you can't drive id advice you to start learning now.

Thanks for the advice Kings. Perhaps you could tell me how RM would go about getting 'rid' of people who can't drive? There is nothing in my contract when i joined the company saying i needed a drivers licence. Offer me a decent EVR and i would go though.

I'm with a non driver I'm forever carrying him going back helping him even though I have reggies and large packets to do, all I can think of he is taking the mick yapping all day to customers. when he is on leave I normally get another driver with me he jumps in the van goes delivering big packets etc using his loaf. Non drivers are a burden in my eyes they do the same thing day in day out not a care in the world. They won't help the driver its a case of I'm alright jack...They want fetching and carrying everyday.

Does he do the driver changeover when he jumps in the van to do big packets?

I work with a non-driver ; and he is excellent. We work together as a team.

[worktotime]

f**k you jack I'm alright , well not in our van or delivery anyway ,

[Lounge Lizard]

Lounge driver lizard,,,,, your comments were in very bad taste . A selfish pathetic comment , which is of no help to anyone at all . Esp the way things are going . Yeah were all in this battle together,,,

C,
My comment that “If Royal Mail only want drivers they will find a way of getting rid of the non-drivers” is a factual statement recognising that, just like Telegram Boys or Cycle Mechanics, there will be roles that are no longer required.
That implies no ill will towards any of my non-driving colleagues and IF I didn’t drive given the choice, knowing how the job has gone lately, I would opt for the quite generous redundancy package rather than learning to drive.
I do not accept that such a viewpoint is "in very bad taste" or a "pathetic comment".

[clashcityrocker]

Going back to the original post ......

I believe the national agreement says once assigned the use of delivery methods equipment is mandatory.
I also believe each duty should be risk assessed - journey time, terrain, security issues.
Nowhere does it say you can just do what you want for a quiet life.

RM's total inability to manage the park and loop they introduced, and the union's inability to police the agreements they made are glaring examples of why this is such a shockingly bad organisation to work for.
I have seen managers and posties manually loading full trolleys into the back of vans just so people don't have to work together. And then the manager go sick with a bad back.

[worktotime]

I'm a driver and I don't find it stressful as me and my p&l partner non driver work together and use lwts on every loop and we haven't carried a bag for about 6 years since p&l and we put parcels and pkts , specials in the bags so we only cover the ground once and you could count on one hand how many times I use the van to deliver stuff , so I cant see a problem unless your carrying bags and delivering parcels out the van to save time ? to do extra work ? why.

I'm with you on this one. My non-driving partner is a tremendous team mate, one of the best postmen in the office.If he's first back from his loop he'll nip off with nearby large parcels on foot, organise the next bags, come and find me and help out etc. If i need to shoot off to do specials or large parcels then I just leave him with a couple of bags and a LWT and pick him up later. No problems, no arguments.

It's not so much the driving status of a particular postman, rather their attitude to the job that counts. I've worked with a number of driving posties who are completely useless, selfish and unhelpful.

snap we work the same , teamwork .

[NewPostieUK]

I'm a driver and I don't find it stressful as me and my p&l partner non driver work together and use lwts on every loop and we haven't carried a bag for about 6 years since p&l and we put parcels and pkts , specials in the bags so we only cover the ground once and you could count on one hand how many times I use the van to deliver stuff , so I cant see a problem unless your carrying bags and delivering parcels out the van to save time ? to do extra work ? why.

That's great and I'd like every duty I cover to be like that.

However, duties vary a lot. Often we get 20+ large parcels that wouldn't fit into even an empty bag. We just have to do what we think is best at the time, driver driving around doing some, doing one each if they are close together, or leaving some in the van for whoever gets back first.

[worktotime]

I'm a driver and I don't find it stressful as me and my p&l partner non driver work together and use lwts on every loop and we haven't carried a bag for about 6 years since p&l and we put parcels and pkts , specials in the bags so we only cover the ground once and you could count on one hand how many times I use the van to deliver stuff , so I cant see a problem unless your carrying bags and delivering parcels out the van to save time ? to do extra work ? why.

That's great and I'd like every duty I cover to be like that.

However, duties vary a lot. Often we get 20+ large parcels that wouldn't fit into even an empty bag. We just have to do what we think is best at the time, driver driving around doing some, doing one each if they are close together, or leaving some in the van for whoever gets back first.

yer we have the same we have over 100 pkts and parcels each and duty varies from 6 - 7 hrs a day with 1600 , 1700 calls btw us , yer i do the really big parcels if we cant get in the bags , but we work like that everyday , but theres no issues with what we do and i wouldn't s**t on my mate and i know he wouldn't s**t on me ,

[TheTrolleyMan]

We load 2 bags on each trolley with as many packets as possible , it's called TEAM WORKING , why are so many posties scared to us trolleys ? They're not scary and you don't feel any less of a man using the correct delivery methods

[worktotime]

We load 2 bags on each trolley with as many packets as possible , it's called TEAM WORKING , why are so many posties scared to us trolleys ? They're not scary and you don't feel any less of a man using the correct delivery methods

to right mate , there is to many selfish bastards in this job. well fuckem . come work with me ill show yer how to do the job right . no probs,

[Brandy]

Lounge driver lizard,,,,, your comments were in very bad taste . A selfish pathetic comment , which is of no help to anyone at all . Esp the way things are going . Yeah were all in this battle together,,,

C,
My comment that “If Royal Mail only want drivers they will find a way of getting rid of the non-drivers” is a factual statement recognising that, just like Telegram Boys or Cycle Mechanics, there will be roles that are no longer required.
That implies no ill will towards any of my non-driving colleagues and IF I didn’t drive given the choice, knowing how the job has gone lately, I would opt for the quite generous redundancy package rather than learning to drive.
I do not accept that such a viewpoint is "in very bad taste" or a "pathetic comment".

Lets stop all this arguing,how about going back to bikes!!!!!

[Villadaft]

I'm a driver and I don't find it stressful as me and my p&l partner non driver work together and use lwts on every loop and we haven't carried a bag for about 6 years since p&l and we put parcels and pkts , specials in the bags so we only cover the ground once and you could count on one hand how many times I use the van to deliver stuff , so I cant see a problem unless your carrying bags and delivering parcels out the van to save time ? to do extra work ? why.

I'm with you on this one. My non-driving partner is a tremendous team mate, one of the best postmen in the office.If he's first back from his loop he'll nip off with nearby large parcels on foot, organise the next bags, come and find me and help out etc. If i need to shoot off to do specials or large parcels then I just leave him with a couple of bags and a LWT and pick him up later. No problems, no arguments.

It's not so much the driving status of a particular postman, rather their attitude to the job that counts. I've worked with a number of driving posties who are completely useless, selfish and unhelpful.

snap we work the same , teamwork .

Same here, my van buddy does a extra loop while I do big packets etc, he works as hard if not a bit more than me.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Lounge driver lizard,,,,, your comments were in very bad taste . A selfish pathetic comment , which is of no help to anyone at all . Esp the way things are going . Yeah were all in this battle together,,,

C,
My comment that “If Royal Mail only want drivers they will find a way of getting rid of the non-drivers” is a factual statement recognising that, just like Telegram Boys or Cycle Mechanics, there will be roles that are no longer required.
That implies no ill will towards any of my non-driving colleagues and IF I didn’t drive given the choice, knowing how the job has gone lately, I would opt for the quite generous redundancy package rather than learning to drive.
I do not accept that such a viewpoint is "in very bad taste" or a "pathetic comment".

Lets stop all this arguing,how about going back to bikes!!!!!

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