Resign and Seniority

[datasaint]

I think all logbooks should be kept within the glove box of the vehicle, makes no sense taking it back to the office.

[bogstandard]

the information is there, like it or loath it. It's factual and accurate. In the unfortunate event that we find ourselves in front of management they work to policy, agreements and the law. Should push come to shove the manager concerned will most likley hear your mitigating circumstances and the refer to HR who don't know you or me go with their advice.

[blakeyboy]

What I can't understand is why drivers don't get paid more than non drivers how is this fair?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Very few people will drive for RM if they have to follow some of the things highlighted by TrueBlue... Unless, of course, it is a singleton round.

The should follow them is what I have said, not that they have to - but if they don't they know the consequences.

True, have you seen the state of RM vans? Mechanical fault resulting in accidents - if we all worry about that every time we step into our own cars or RM vans, we shall become paranoid very quickly... Some RM vans are not in a fit state with bald tyres, even under pumped tyres, who checks the oil or screen wash, vehicles pulling, gears jumping out (old big vans), some do not even fill up when the dial is near zero, filthy vans, people that have smoked in the van and other wanting to do so, the list goes on.

The law won't care - the driver IS responsible no matter what excuses/reasons are given

As korky said, why should anyone have to take all that responsibility unless there is some sort of perk - and our drivers do not have perks!

You take that responsibility when you get your licence and when you accept the job offer. I agree there should be some compensation but there isn't and RM and the Law don't care if there is or there isn't.

Can you tell who was driving 2 weeks down the line - why not? As long as it tells you where the offence took place - changing drivers is not exactly willy-nilly, but sometimes it is systematic and has been built into the duty by walkholders or the understanding is there; especially on busy days with parcels etc.

Its not just about your legal responsibilities though, RM has a statutory duty to know who is driving at any specific time when asked to provide details, they don't know unless the log book is kept up to date.

I'll reiterate it again, I could give a flying flute whether you, old bob, or your manager follow the letter of the law, or ignore it at your convenience, or even if you decide to use it as replacement toilet paper. However, the law is quite specific and you should only ignore it in the full knowledge of the consequences.

In reality will everyone follow the rules to the letter, no. Even I will ignore certain aspects for different reasons, but I only do so in the full knowledge of the consequences of being caught.

At the very least, I would check the tyres for flats and tread depth (by eye). A brake test, even a washer/wiper test, and lights check can all be done whilst driving along, and an oil test while advisable when you have the chance, can be circumvented by scanning your instruments whilst driving, and most mechanical problems usually have a noise to accompany them. Thats how I was trained to do a "field" inspection anyway.

[blakeyboy]

Why do non drivers get the same rate of pay as non drivers to me that is wrong.Im not saying my wage is too low I just think as a driver I should get slightly more than people that don't drive.What are peoples thoughts on this

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Me personally I think there should be recognition of skills There should be some compensation for using, and risking your licence, but also I think reserves should be recognised as well, a good reserve is an asset to any office, and a happy one even more so.

[bogstandard]

TWF does recognise this £6, however those who have picked up driving since jan 1st 2000 will not see any benefit.

[DB1100]

What I can't understand is why drivers don't get paid more than non drivers how is this fair?

In the same case,why don't first aiders get paid extra for taking the time and trouble to learn how to help people in an emergency?,I suppose it's just one of the many inequalities at RM.

[fishtank]

Why do non drivers get the same rate of pay as non drivers to me that is wrong.Im not saying my wage is too low I just think as a driver I should get slightly more than people that don't drive.What are peoples thoughts on this

To be fair we voted for it ourselves with the Way Forward Agreement and the move to a single role (OPG), many of the allowances that disappeared (including the sick squid driving allowance for new drivers) were used to finance the pay rise that went with it and nobody turned that down.

[blakeyboy]

I've only been here two years and the wage we are on is very good but I find it a joke that us drivers who have so much more responsibility than a non driver yet we both get paid the same.The non drivers should be on a slightly lower rate even if it's only £10 a week less