worrying numbers looking to work on strike day

[TrueBlueTerrier]

i We will not rep anybody who breaks the strike,they dont deserve a rep.

Does that mean you are both standing down to let somebody who properly understands their responsibilities take over?

If need be we have both said we would give up the rep jobs, how can you rep certain people who are going round telling everyone to cross the picket line as its a good deal & our union is usless?? Then they still want to be in the union for selfish reasons! Either be in a union & back it or leave the union & say what you like about it but to be in a union & encourage others to cross the picket line is unrepable.

If you can't counter their arguments without recourse to an anti-union threat, perhaps it is time to stand down.

sounds like you are one of the ones crossing the picket line, go have an afternoon nap!

I would be amazed if he was IIRC he is a "refusnik" on shares.

[chrisj]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned voluntary redundancy. Now how many older people would consider taking a golden handshake? That's probably not an immediate prospect but bearing in mind not all of our work is subject to the USO and that provides scope for shedding staff. There are probably many methods which are totally unnecessary and will be shed. Royal Mail have stated that there will be protection for "the core staff" but no mention of how many core staff will remain.

I am almost certain someone mentioned VR somewhere but maybe not as a direct result of being privatised...

* I did mention it at work - and I will take it - in a heart beat. And I am not that old and have not worked for that long.

** I also guess that there might be a stampede for Voluntary redundancy for long-term staff and it will also be sweetened with being able to take your shares.

[clashcityrocker]

sounds like you are one of the ones crossing the picket line, go have an afternoon nap!

1. Your threat to not represent certain CWU members would put you in breach of your duties as a rep.
That is why I asked if you were standing down.
2. If you have people in your DO saying the union is useless etc, why is what they say carrying any weight?
Why aren't your members listening to you?
You and your rep need to have a good hard look at what you have been doing.
3. Education is, in my opinion, the foundation stone of the trade union movement.
If you don't have the counter arguments, if you can't educate your members, then what are you doing?

If that make me sound like I am one of those who will be crossing the picket line to your ears, perhaps you need to readjust your hearing aid.

[dvbuk55]

I'm not entirely sure where this idea that there will be a sudden drop in pay to minimum wage.

It's not hourly pay that will drop if Royal Mail get their way,it's earnings.
Casuals will be the norm especially in processing,overtime will dry up,part-timers will be hit hardest.
We've already seen indoor hours culled and part-timers reduced to more or less delivery only,expect much more of this.
I would expect some kind of push towards pay simplification,reducing or removing the many supplements in RM.
MTSF and Pay Protection is very expensive and must be a target
No sick pay for the first three days is almost certain to make some kind of appearance at some point.

Labour costs will have to be reduced dv and although the threat of tearing up our contracts and re-employing us on vastly inferior contracts is unlikely at the moment it's worth thinking about.It's a nuclear option but i'm sure it has been discussed at boardroom level if only as part of a wish list.
We wouldn't be the first...or the last.

I'm well aware of what privatisation will bring ft, with or without the union, it happened to me once before though I was one of the lucky ones. The ESI was regional then sold off and what followed is legend. Services reduced and eliminated altogether, amalgamation of offices, closures, outsourcing, price increases and all that will be coming to an office near you. It will take time but it's pretty much a sure fire thing. I consider myself to be fortunate I was paid off for one and on this one I'm too old to be overly concerned. I don't think that any of the outdoor services, underground and overhead cabling, meter fixing/reading et al are in house anymore they are all outsourced or franchised to self employed people.

I have been saying for a long time small offices days are numbered and that is an early attack I would imagine.

[knackeredjointsRUS]

If anyone goes in to work in our office I'll take a mental note who they are and never acknowledge their existence again

[FinishOnTime]

I'm not entirely sure where this idea that there will be a sudden drop in pay to minimum wage.

It's not hourly pay that will drop if Royal Mail get their way,it's earnings.
Casuals will be the norm especially in processing,overtime will dry up,part-timers will be hit hardest.
We've already seen indoor hours culled and part-timers reduced to more or less delivery only,expect much more of this.
I would expect some kind of push towards pay simplification,reducing or removing the many supplements in RM.
MTSF and Pay Protection is very expensive and must be a target
No sick pay for the first three days is almost certain to make some kind of appearance at some point.

Labour costs will have to be reduced dv and although the threat of tearing up our contracts and re-employing us on vastly inferior contracts is unlikely at the moment it's worth thinking about.It's a nuclear option but i'm sure it has been discussed at boardroom level if only as part of a wish list.
We wouldn't be the first...or the last.

All sounds very plausible to me ft. What will we be realistically looking for in a long term agreement that will stop/delay any of it?

[halfull]

sounds like you are one of the ones crossing the picket line, go have an afternoon nap!

1. Your threat to not represent certain CWU members would put you in breach of your duties as a rep.
That is why I asked if you were standing down.
2. If you have people in your DO saying the union is useless etc, why is what they say carrying any weight?
Why aren't your members listening to you?
You and your rep need to have a good hard look at what you have been doing.
3. Education is, in my opinion, the foundation stone of the trade union movement.
If you don't have the counter arguments, if you can't educate your members, then what are you doing?

If that make me sound like I am one of those who will be crossing the picket line to your ears, perhaps you need to readjust your hearing aid.

1,i couldn't care less if im in breach as they do not deserve a rep
2,are you a rep? if not be quiet as you have no clue as to the unpaid stress it brings.
3,the people saying that in my office mean the union on a national level, ie the bt2010 deal, how long its taken to get to this point.
4,me and my rep have canvassed & worked damm hard the last few weeks trying to educate everyone on all the issues involved in this depute but many already have their eye on the 300quid & are scared to lose a days pay. Many are just gaffers bootlickers & dont want to lose their place in the pecking order.
5,your comment about us not going on min wage or taking a big pay drop was the single handed dumbest thing ive read on here in over 2 years! What the hell do you think the cwu are fighting for a longterm deal for? for the fun of it? lol, your right sunshine education is the most important part & lets all hope you are not the one doing the educating in your office.

[clashcityrocker]

5,your comment about us not going on min wage or taking a big pay drop was the single handed dumbest thing ive read on here in over 2 years! What the hell do you think the cwu are fighting for a longterm deal for? for the fun of it? lol, your right sunshine education is the most important part & lets all hope you are not the one doing the educating in your office.

Where have I said that?

[halfull]

5,your comment about us not going on min wage or taking a big pay drop was the single handed dumbest thing ive read on here in over 2 years! What the hell do you think the cwu are fighting for a longterm deal for? for the fun of it? lol, your right sunshine education is the most important part & lets all hope you are not the one doing the educating in your office.

Where have I said that?

[halfull]

5,your comment about us not going on min wage or taking a big pay drop was the single handed dumbest thing ive read on here in over 2 years! What the hell do you think the cwu are fighting for a longterm deal for? for the fun of it? lol, your right sunshine education is the most important part & lets all hope you are not the one doing the educating in your office.

Where have I said that?

oh and i take it you are not a rep then? maybe just one of the guys with the mouth & opinion on what the reps are doing wrong but never have the guts to take the job on & be the one with the target on their back. i think ive wasted enough of my time with you as i must get showered & ready for the xfactor

[dvbuk55]

5,your comment about us not going on min wage or taking a big pay drop was the single handed dumbest thing ive read on here in over 2 years! What the hell do you think the cwu are fighting for a longterm deal for? for the fun of it? lol, your right sunshine education is the most important part & lets all hope you are not the one doing the educating in your office.

Where have I said that?

dvbuk55 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure where this idea that there will be a sudden drop in pay to minimum wage.
There you go like magic!

I would imagine there are dumber things been posted on here and you posted it - but I stick by my statement - where does it say or even been intimated by either RM or the CWU that you will be paid minimum wage? Nothing is going to change in the near future and any change would be negotiated but if you're dumb enough to think your wage slip is going to take a sudden nose dive to minimum wage

[clashcityrocker]

5,your comment about us not going on min wage or taking a big pay drop was the single handed dumbest thing ive read on here in over 2 years! What the hell do you think the cwu are fighting for a longterm deal for? for the fun of it? lol, your right sunshine education is the most important part & lets all hope you are not the one doing the educating in your office.

Where have I said that?

dvbuk55 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure where this idea that there will be a sudden drop in pay to minimum wage.
There you go like magic!

My user name is clashcityrocker.
The quote you attributed to me is by dvbuk55.
We are not one and the same person.

Attention to detail isn't one of your strong points then?

[dvbuk55]

5,your comment about us not going on min wage or taking a big pay drop was the single handed dumbest thing ive read on here in over 2 years! What the hell do you think the cwu are fighting for a longterm deal for? for the fun of it? lol, your right sunshine education is the most important part & lets all hope you are not the one doing the educating in your office.

Where have I said that?

dvbuk55 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure where this idea that there will be a sudden drop in pay to minimum wage.
There you go like magic!

My user name is clashcityrocker.
The quote you attributed to me is by dvbuk55.
We are not one and the same person.

Attention to detail isn't one of your strong points then?

Yes we are

[postypie]

Gauging by the general chat in the office today over half of the staff look like theyre prepared to break the strike on 4th November.

Mostly just idle talk but management will be reading your post and loving every word of it.

Assuming what he is saying is true.

[Dumpys Rusty Nuts]

clash CITY ROCKER, NO2
you quote, you and your rep aren't doing enough[no2] . think you should try working in a large delivery office were most people couldn't give a flying feck. As a person who has done it[UNION REP] I can describe it in one word POINTLESS