Door 2 Door - Unagreed Delivery Procedure

[General Mannerheim]

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Thanks for that borders but I think I'll paint one of the sheds and watch it dry - I am strictly a non cricket fan

Well you could always set up you tv in your shed but I'd shift all the old D2D's first.

[borders]

try Wiziwig.tv , test match cricket all day long and free !!

Thanks for that borders but I think I'll paint one of the sheds and watch it dry - I am strictly a non cricket fan

it streams all Sport and its free , that was the point !!

[dvbuk55]

try Wiziwig.tv , test match cricket all day long and free !!

Thanks for that borders but I think I'll paint one of the sheds and watch it dry - I am strictly a non cricket fan

Well you could always set up you tv in your shed but I'd shift all the old D2D's first.

Truth to tell I didn't deliver any D2D mein general - one of those D2D Barons that dingo loves to quote did them for me - I must have been one of he forerunners of leaving in as well - probably 4 out of 5 days sometimes more. I might have the dubious record of delivering the fewest calls approx 130 out of 608 on the day.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Letter to Branches




No. 524/13
Ref. 230.03
Date: 29th July 2013

To: All Branches with POSTAL Members

Dear Colleagues,

Door 2 Door - Unagreed Delivery Procedure

Further to LTB 477/13 issued on the 10th July 2013 this LTB is being sent to reaffirm the CWU position that there is no agreement with the CWU to alter the terms of the National Agreement, and that it still holds the field.

For ease of reference the BT 2010 Agreement states the following:

“Whilst the planned workload will be spread across the 6 days, delivery employees will have the ability to manage the delivery of the items themselves on the proviso that all items are delivered within the week and the delivery specification is not affected”.

Any proposals or edicts to impose changes to a unit’s preferred method of delivering D2D providing the preferred method is compliant with the National Agreement should be dealt with via the Industrial Relations Framework.

In addition, at our meeting with Royal Mail on the 16th July 2013 we raised the reports we were receiving that indicated that an unagreed procedure requiring our members to only deliver Door to Door items to address points where they have ‘live mail’ i.e. no ‘cold calling’ was being deployed. They responded by stating that there is no edict from Royal Mail nationally for this to be introduced.

Branches/Representatives are therefore advised to register disagreement where management attempt to deploy this unagreed approach.

We have also informed Royal Mail that this unagreed approach is completely contrary to the National Agreement and sends the wrong message to our members, in that it creates the perception that D2D is not the same as normal mail when the whole concept of putting D2D into workload was so that it would be treated as normal mail to assist in the development of D2D as a product to protect jobs.

Could all Branches/Representatives please ensure that this LTB is cascaded into every Delivery Office as soon as possible.

Any enquiries to Bob Gibson’s Office, quoting reference 230.03
Email address: hnutley@cwu.org

Yours sincerely

Bob Gibson
CWU Assistant Secretary

[chrisj]

gobble gobble...

So on one hand, the CWU does not entirely agree with 'no cold calling' while accepting that the work can be done in any which way (including 'no cold calling') as long it is done by saturday.

Does this make sense? The easiest way for members is to adopt 'no cold calling' which in effect means that D2D is not being treated the same as live mail...

Furthermore, the above is more of an issue when it comes to floaters and reserves... We have some people here that says they always put d2ds last because it makes prepping easier (dont agree)..

What if the walkholder has left loads of d2ds in from e.g monday or monday and tuesday? Should they be pulled out?

I have that particular situation every week and the walkholders all do different things - some leave them in and some deliver a section every day; whilst some agree with floaters/reserves just to take where they are going...

Is this really the issue - 'how it is done' rather than management making people prep them before mail and making people deliver old d2ds???

[dvbuk55]

gobble gobble... Is this really the issue - 'how it is done' rather than management making people prep them before mail and making people deliver old d2ds???

Ah yes one of those issues not truly ironed out yet but it has only been 3 and a half years

[hampshireman]

We keep having an argument with lino about when the D2D are prpped ?

I was led to believe in the agreement it is during prep,

our lino insists it is the first thing before sequenced mail, she is also trying to conduct code folks on this ,

Essex mum

Your Lino is talking bollocks.

Agreement says D2D is the last thing prepped. Case closed. Let then try conduct code and see where it gets them.

[Loopylau89]

Sorry to jump in here, basically my fixed walked has been lapsed on a mon, tues and wed, should the d2ds be taken with the lapsing? Ive gone in today to find 544 d2ds put in ober night, surely they should have been done on monday and taken out with the lapsing, im now left with all theses to try amd get out over 2 days isnt that unfair?

[dvbuk55]

Sorry to jump in here, basically my fixed walked has been lapsed on a mon, tues and wed, should the d2ds be taken with the lapsing? Ive gone in today to find 544 d2ds put in ober night, surely they should have been done on monday and taken out with the lapsing, im now left with all theses to try amd get out over 2 days isnt that unfair?

Yes, see your Rep, that is not according to the agreement and they should be delivered daily - if they insist you take them ask the line manager which part of the delivery you should leave in because you wont have time to complete.

[Loopylau89]

Cant see rep as both reps are ignoring me because i didnt go out on 3 day strike with them

[dvbuk55]

Cant see rep as both reps are ignoring me because i didnt go out on 3 day strike with them

There you go Loopy, being a union member is a two way street - it's a question of mutual support at unit level.

[fishtank]

Cant see rep as both reps are ignoring me because i didnt go out on 3 day strike with them

Do you mean you went to work during the strike or you didn't turn up at the gate?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Cant see rep as both reps are ignoring me because i didnt go out on 3 day strike with them

Then you'll need to read up on the overrunning deliveries agreement in downloads and get the managers to make a decision. You'll need to work to your time and if the D2Ds can be done there is not much you can do.

Should they have been put in, probably but its up to management to manage the situation and you to know and understand the various agreements.

[Sidley]

Sorry to jump in here, basically my fixed walked has been lapsed on a mon, tues and wed, should the d2ds be taken with the lapsing? Ive gone in today to find 544 d2ds put in ober night, surely they should have been done on monday and taken out with the lapsing, im now left with all theses to try amd get out over 2 days isnt that unfair?

Yes, see your Rep, that is not according to the agreement and they should be delivered daily - if they insist you take them ask the line manager which part of the delivery you should leave in because you wont have time to complete.

Monday's, Tuesday's and Wednesday's should have been done by the people delivering the corresponding part of the walk.
Tell the screws immediately that you will be unable to deliver them all, that the procedure is unagreed etc. ask them what you should do, if you can't/don't want to go over your time DON'T let them tell you that you have to complete, it's their balls up, let them sort it out. YOU are the union even if you get no help, start pushing back.

[fishtank]

Monday's, Tuesday's and Wednesday's should have been done by the people delivering the corresponding part of the walk.

Well....not exactly because the agreement says the duty holder can manage the D2D how he/she sees fit as long as they are delivered by Saturday so.....

You're right of course they should have been done but you're also wrong because the only agreement we have on managing D2D doesn't mention lapsing.
Who would have thought?,another slight oversight.