Saturday 13th June

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 02 Jun 2020, 23:08

A2B wrote:You can only lapse if there's time available, at the moment and for the foreseeable there is no time available.

I don't know if you've noticed but there's a bit of a spanner in the works at the moment and the rule book has been thrown out the window.

Irrelevant, the holiday slots will have already been paid for by the summer lapsing. You'll just take your lapsing out first then cut-off your own walk if need be

Ren Hoëk · Post by **Ren Hoëk** » 03 Jun 2020, 07:47

SpacePhoenix wrote:
A2B wrote:You can only lapse if there's time available, at the moment and for the foreseeable there is no time available.

I don't know if you've noticed but there's a bit of a spanner in the works at the moment and the rule book has been thrown out the window.
Irrelevant, the holiday slots will have already been paid for by the summer lapsing. You'll just take your lapsing out first then cut-off your own walk if need be

You cant deliver what there is no time to do. Failing a walk to deliver part of another is just robing Peter to pay Paul. When it's busy its always the lapsing that gets pulled and offered up as overtime.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 03 Jun 2020, 09:26

SpacePhoenix wrote:
A2B wrote:You can only lapse if there's time available, at the moment and for the foreseeable there is no time available.

I don't know if you've noticed but there's a bit of a spanner in the works at the moment and the rule book has been thrown out the window.
Irrelevant, the holiday slots will have already been paid for by the summer lapsing. You'll just take your lapsing out first then cut-off your own walk if need be

How would that help with opening up holiday slots?
It would be completely against existing agreements, completely against RM policy and a case of reps completely ignoring resourcing guidelines.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 03 Jun 2020, 10:19

Woody Guthrie wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:
A2B wrote:You can only lapse if there's time available, at the moment and for the foreseeable there is no time available.

I don't know if you've noticed but there's a bit of a spanner in the works at the moment and the rule book has been thrown out the window.
Irrelevant, the holiday slots will have already been paid for by the summer lapsing. You'll just take your lapsing out first then cut-off your own walk if need be
How would that help with opening up holiday slots?
It would be completely against existing agreements, completely against RM policy and a case of reps completely ignoring resourcing guidelines.

Where does the budget for the extra leave slots come from then?

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 03 Jun 2020, 10:35

I think we're way beyond looking at budgets for this year

Where do you think the budget for the excess sick absence is coming from?
Where do you think the budget for self-isolation is coming from?
Where do you think the budget for social distancing, people working from home, mileage for private vehicles etc, etc.

We're working under contingency measures, budgets that were set 6 months ago are just pieces of scrap paper now.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 03 Jun 2020, 10:54

Woody Guthrie wrote:I think we're way beyond looking at budgets for this year
Where do you think the budget for the excess sick absence is coming from?
Where do you think the budget for self-isolation is coming from?
Where do you think the budget for social distancing, people working from home, mileage for private vehicles etc, etc.

We're working under contingency measures, budgets that were set 6 months ago are just pieces of scrap paper now.

Irrelevant. It doesn't change that there's only a certain number of duty hours, the same number of vans (the only difference for that is double the amount of fuel used).

If were working under contingency measures, why isn't RM using casuals in DOs starting and ending out on delivery? Are you willing to volunteer all staff at your DO to do compulsory overtime if we're under contingency measures?

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 03 Jun 2020, 13:35

Look SP I don't know why you have to be so aggressive.

The bottom line is budget is a fixed cost for annual leave no matter when it's taken. You have X number of employees and they have Y number of weeks to take, it doesn't make any difference when they take them.

The only thing that changes in the summer is the amount of base line resource you have available due to extra slots being opened up.

At the moment the base line resource is so screwed by sick absence and social distancing measures that a couple of extra annual leave slots are not going to make much difference.

What management may do during the summer period if they're struggling for resource is offer annual leave deferment. People might go for that if they can't get away anywhere.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 03 Jun 2020, 13:56

Woody Guthrie wrote:Look SP I don't know why you have to be so aggressive.

The bottom line is budget is a fixed cost for annual leave no matter when it's taken. You have X number of employees and they have Y number of weeks to take, it doesn't make any difference when they take them.

The only thing that changes in the summer is the amount of base line resource you have available due to extra slots being opened up.

At the moment the base line resource is so screwed by sick absence and social distancing measures that a couple of extra annual leave slots are not going to make much difference.

What management may do during the summer period if they're struggling for resource is offer annual leave deferment. People might go for that if they can't get away anywhere.

Annual leave is not a fixed cost per shift. Each shift has x hours worth of work and y hours of staff. You get hours taken out for sick and leave. Apart from xmas pressure we're never guaranteed either casuals or ot in, no matter how busy it is

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 03 Jun 2020, 14:36

Annual leave is not a fixed cost per shift. Each shift has x hours worth of work and y hours of staff. You get hours taken out for sick and leave.

That's not how an office budget works.
Both annual leave and sick absence are separate from the core budget.

When savings are made they are taken from the core budget not the two stand alone budgets.

Both the annual leave and the sick absence budget are affected by a reduction in core hours but the percentage allocation does not normally change.

Having attended hundreds of resource meetings and worked on countless revisions I do know what I'm talking about.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 03 Jun 2020, 15:24

Woody Guthrie wrote:
Annual leave is not a fixed cost per shift. Each shift has x hours worth of work and y hours of staff. You get hours taken out for sick and leave.
That's not how an office budget works.
Both annual leave and sick absence are separate from the core budget.

When savings are made they are taken from the core budget not the two stand alone budgets.

Both the annual leave and the sick absence budget are affected by a reduction in core hours but the percentage allocation does not normally change.

Having attended hundreds of resource meetings and worked on countless revisions I do know what I'm talking about.

Things must work differently in DOs. Savings are also made against annual leave. They're near enough always lapsed, no matter what type of duty

citypostie · Post by **citypostie** » 03 Jun 2020, 22:46

SpacePhoenix wrote:
A2B wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:Could be ending to prep for summer lapsing which will start fairly soon
People can't finish their own walks at the moment so good luck with that.
Summer lapsing will come in, it pays for there being extra leave slots in the summer

We haven't done summer lapsing for 2 years now, lat time they tried it everyone slowed down and cut off their own duties

Post by **tractorboy2** » 04 Jun 2020, 08:00

Royal Mail could have furloughed all those shielding but didn't , that could have saved them some money.
As a benefit those shielding wouldn't have eaten up any sick absence.

scoobymunster · Post by **scoobymunster** » 04 Jun 2020, 17:49

Does this mean the 1pm limit on Specials returns from monday??

2yearpostie · Post by **2yearpostie** » 04 Jun 2020, 17:53

scoobymunster wrote:Does this mean the 1pm limit on Specials returns from monday??

you should already be doing it, it happened Monday gone.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 04 Jun 2020, 17:59

2yearpostie wrote:
scoobymunster wrote:Does this mean the 1pm limit on Specials returns from monday??
you should already be doing it, it happened Monday gone.

Nope, it's not back yet:

Due to increased absence levels, we’ve reviewed our timed guarantees for Special Delivery Guaranteed by 9am and 1pm services and will make the following changes.

For items posted from Tuesday 31 March 2020 onwards, our guaranteed delivery for Special Delivery Guaranteed by 9.00am the next working day will change to by 12.00pm the next working day*. Our guaranteed delivery for Special Delivery Guaranteed by 1.00pm will change to by 9.00pm the next working day*.

*Existing postcode exceptions apply.

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