Yessodiium wrote:yesterday a postie said lost at this, it was a xmas card placed in 3 envelopes to deter thiefs but all 3 envelopes had been sliced open. wtf. do rm have a xmas policy of letting these pr**s in at xmas as long as they clear the mail & they can keep some of the content?
I do have some sympathy with RM on this.... they employ how many 10's of thousands of postmen/women? at the end of the day it really is only a tiny tiny minority of people that STEAL How do you weed thieves out at the interview? they don't wear 'I'm coming to nick mail' T-Shirts! RM have to actually have proof that a person is stealing you can't just sack somebody. It all takes time and with the sort christmas period its no doubt really hard to physically catch people in the act. I've had to deliver mail/packets that seem to have been tampered with and I agree its really embarrassing knowing what to say to a customer thats rushed out and confronted you. Its a hazard of the job I guess?sodiium wrote:yesterday a postie said lost at this, it was a xmas card placed in 3 envelopes to deter thiefs but all 3 envelopes had been sliced open. wtf. do rm have a xmas policy of letting these pr**s in at xmas as long as they clear the mail & they can keep some of the content?
Bit harsh to blame it on casuals! I think its more likely to be the disillusioned full time staff who have the experience to know that they are unlikely to be prosecuted.Casuals
Indy wrote:I do have some sympathy with RM on this.... they employ how many 10's of thousands of postmen/women? at the end of the day it really is only a tiny tiny minority of people that STEAL How do you weed thieves out at the interview? they don't wear 'I'm coming to nick mail' T-Shirts! RM have to actually have proof that a person is stealing you can't just sack somebody. It all takes time and with the sort christmas period its no doubt really hard to physically catch people in the act. I've had to deliver mail/packets that seem to have been tampered with and I agree its really embarrassing knowing what to say to a customer thats rushed out and confronted you. Its a hazard of the job I guess?sodiium wrote:yesterday a postie said lost at this, it was a xmas card placed in 3 envelopes to deter thiefs but all 3 envelopes had been sliced open. wtf. do rm have a xmas policy of letting these pr**s in at xmas as long as they clear the mail & they can keep some of the content?
Exactly!stokes11eg wrote:For opportunistic, read chancer!
Its like when a new Game comes out, Call of Duty Black Ops, for example, the customers all want to be the first to have it, so it is sent out to arrive on the release date, We all know that the Amazon, Play etc that are delivered on that day are most likely to be this product. (Especially if it is a low volume of packets day!)Indy wrote:Agreed to an extent BUT I would suspect that a large number of the people caught or who do steal at RM are doing it in an opportunistic way for the first time. Last week I got an Amazon packet and the flap at the end had flattened and I could quite clearly see that it contained an iPod. I of course delivered it correctly... somebody else even a 100% honest person might have thought I'll have that how could they catch me?? last year was at a Mail Centre doing Christmas overtime and throwing off packets. At the bottom of one of the autolevels was a new boxed compact camera (Comet sold them for £249) that had fallen out of something. Again I'm sure if somebody had been tempted they could have maybe nicked it. Temptation, Temptation, Temptation... even for the most honest people. A manager took the item away to who knows where? again RM have to trust people.
I think that whatever you do people who want to steal will. The thing I would like to see is that people are caught as quickly and humanly possible and then have the book thrown at them as a deterrent to others. The current habbit of RM to gleefully announce that a person has been caught is kinda moot if they've been doing it for years and involves 10's of thousands of quid. It should be a deterrent to nicking not a semi-valid careers option advertisementREDLETTER wrote:Its like when a new Game comes out, Call of Duty Black Ops, for example, the customers all want to be the first to have it, so it is sent out to arrive on the release date, We all know that the Amazon, Play etc that are delivered on that day are most likely to be this product. (Especially if it is a low volume of packets day!)Indy wrote:Agreed to an extent BUT I would suspect that a large number of the people caught or who do steal at RM are doing it in an opportunistic way for the first time. Last week I got an Amazon packet and the flap at the end had flattened and I could quite clearly see that it contained an iPod. I of course delivered it correctly... somebody else even a 100% honest person might have thought I'll have that how could they catch me?? last year was at a Mail Centre doing Christmas overtime and throwing off packets. At the bottom of one of the autolevels was a new boxed compact camera (Comet sold them for £249) that had fallen out of something. Again I'm sure if somebody had been tempted they could have maybe nicked it. Temptation, Temptation, Temptation... even for the most honest people. A manager took the item away to who knows where? again RM have to trust people.
How easy is it for some to be "lost" in transit, from all areas of the RM system!
With the tracking system, if PDAs were available for the Postie on the street then, the theft of these items should drop dramatically.
But its still a case of s*d the private customer, who sends the odd thing through ebay etc a few stamps or send it SD
We should have the trust of the Customer and Supplier, pity we don't get it from RM!
I guess he was caught and is now being dealt with!haveagojoe wrote:You can't always blame casuals for this as most postys in a cetain part of Liverpool will know, when one thieving scumbag of a cluster manager was caught thieving from every office he stepped into,and we all know who he is don't we boys and girls!
If it's RM's usual way of dealing with thieves ( of any grade ), then they will be told "Quit now, without notice or future reference.....or we'll see you up before the beak!" ( wrong, wrong WRONG!!!Indy wrote:I guess he was caught and is now being dealt with!haveagojoe wrote:You can't always blame casuals for this as most postys in a cetain part of Liverpool will know, when one thieving scumbag of a cluster manager was caught thieving from every office he stepped into,and we all know who he is don't we boys and girls!
If they steal & you have proof - get the CPS in, no ifs or buts, then take them to civil court, and ask for a proceeds of crime order against the estimate of what they stole 
.....if you thought you might get chokey AND your possessions repo'd to pay back what you nicked, would you be so quick to indulge? 
)Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!brykins wrote:would like to be taken on full time after Xmas