British Airways cabin crew strike illegal, court rules

[AnotherLimey]

Oh no, never about pay, next it'll be "we're doing it for the benefit of BA customers". Makes the response to the ballot result look hollow now. Even in the CWU theres a bunch that think they deserve a medal just for warming their backsides by a brazier.

I don't know your histoy Tonic and why you seem to have such a axe to grind here but to me a new member you seem to be bitter and pissed off, Taking your anger out on the wrong people.

[La Poste]

Oh no, never about pay, next it'll be "we're doing it for the benefit of BA customers". Makes the response to the ballot result look hollow now. Even in the CWU theres a bunch that think they deserve a medal just for warming their backsides by a brazier.

I don't know your histoy Tonic and why you seem to have such a axe to grind here but to me a new member you seem to be bitter and pissed off, Taking your anger out on the wrong people.

I thought people like him were called Trolls.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

[POSTMAN]

Oh no, never about pay, next it'll be "we're doing it for the benefit of BA customers". Makes the response to the ballot result look hollow now. Even in the CWU theres a bunch that think they deserve a medal just for warming their backsides by a brazier.

One of the best posts on RMC is below,what is your problem?

If any worker goes on strike,its for a good reason.

[DirtyHarry]

Oh no, never about pay, next it'll be "we're doing it for the benefit of BA customers". Makes the response to the ballot result look hollow now. Even in the CWU theres a bunch that think they deserve a medal just for warming their backsides by a brazier.

One of the best posts on RMC is below,what is your problem?

If any worker goes on strike,its for a good reason.

It's called having a peasant mentality, "I'm only worth as much as my master says I'm worth." Sad, very sad.

[norbert]

Oh no, never about pay, next it'll be "we're doing it for the benefit of BA customers". Makes the response to the ballot result look hollow now. Even in the CWU theres a bunch that think they deserve a medal just for warming their backsides by a brazier.

One of the best posts on RMC is below,what is your problem?

If any worker goes on strike,its for a good reason.

It's called having a peasant mentality, "I'm only worth as much as my master says I'm worth." Sad, very sad.

The Daily Sieg Heil

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ag-on.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ( Stewardess in Uniform spat at )

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -year.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; she got a bashing on the forum from someone offering to start a new union

A uncle of mine worked for them - you can read between the lines on that forum

[Yahoorsur]

Those who deride BA's workforce for trying to defend itself are in reality simply cheerleaders for a race to the bottom in pay and conditions.
Those who deride Royal Mail's workforce for trying to defend itself are in reality simply cheerleaders for a race to the bottom in pay and conditions.
Those who deride the Fujitsu workforce for trying to defend itself are in reality simply cheerleaders for a race to the bottom in pay and conditions.
Those who deride the striking steelworkers against Vale Inco in Canada. for trying to defend itself are in reality simply cheerleaders for a race to the bottom in pay and conditions.

[antcpfc]

I heard a B.A. pilot on the radio today saying that many of the top brass bringing these changes in are ex Royal Mail .No idea how true but you can see the same tactics about rivals earning less etc.

[norbert]

I heard a B.A. pilot on the radio today saying that many of the top brass bringing these changes in are ex Royal Mail .No idea how true but you can see the same tactics about rivals earning less etc.

yeah Tony McCarthy - bad reputation at BAE too

Another RM Personnel Director had 477 Tribunal cases outstanding against him at Bombardier Shorts .


There's a lot of infighting within UNITE , the T&G part is the militant part whilst AMICUS is more moderate . Union politics is more vicious than ordinary politics , a lot of New Labour whips are ex union officials .

BASSRA is a branch of the T&G , where BA is arguably a bit of a mess is due to the amalgamations of the likes of BOAC etc , then there's the aftermath of BA being privatised & becoming a PLC , there are arguably similarities to RM as London is a issue , Heathrow is apparently the centre of the universe whilst Gatwick is a different story , and the likes of Manchester etc different again .

Some in UNITE want BASSRA reigned in a bit , there's a lot of jostling for the top positions with the likes of Harridan Harperson's old man due to stand down i.e. that story about a UNITE leader spending a night in a posh £399 hotel instead of getting the train home which just happened to appear in The Daily Mail

You've got old hands on good numbers at Heathrow & see themselves as a elite whilst some staff don't earn a fraction of their earnings , nor do they have the lucrative routes . They fear that Walsh wants to Ryanairise BA and have a second tier workforce on Ryanair type contracts and wants everyone's contracts full stop .

I can relate to all the bickering and backbiting over money & divide and rule from my experience in another union , my Uncle used to work for BA and I've heard some stories ! .

It's heavily unionised like RM , 12,500 out of 14,000 but there's a sizeable non union rump that seem to be Mr / Mrs BA and sound like BA Assistant HR Directors , in a way the company loyalty is good and understandable but ........

Some are scathingly critical of a BASSRA union official who lives in the States and she hasn't worked for over a year . Some didn't expect to be on strike for 12 days over Xmas .

BASSRA had been in negotiation with BA , then BA imposed things in mid November , bit like RM Senior managers bragging about orchestrating strikes in London with Executive action with a legal timescale the earliest they could strike was December .

Apparently if they just went out over a couple of days , staff fear that the strikers could be picked off whilst other staff off on leave would be left alone . If they went out in January they feared that Walsh would starve them back to work , again a bit like RM

There's definitely a HR policy of brinksmanship just like RM ? instead of negotiation with BA .

[Yahoorsur]

I heard a B.A. pilot on the radio today saying that many of the top brass bringing these changes in are ex Royal Mail .No idea how true but you can see the same tactics about rivals earning less etc.

yeah Tony McCarthy - bad reputation at BAE too

Another RM Personnel Director had 477 Tribunal cases outstanding against him at Bombardier Shorts .

The incestuous relationship in British business,whereby you can make a f**k up of one job and then migrate as if by magic to another very well paid job,is quite frankly disgusting.
'He is chair of the Centre for Performance Led HR, a group of HR academics and top practitioners, and recently became vice president of the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development. '

[norbert]

I heard a B.A. pilot on the radio today saying that many of the top brass bringing these changes in are ex Royal Mail .No idea how true but you can see the same tactics about rivals earning less etc.

yeah Tony McCarthy - bad reputation at BAE too

Another RM Personnel Director had 477 Tribunal cases outstanding against him at Bombardier Shorts .

The incestuous relationship in British business,whereby you can make a f**k up of one job and then migrate as if by magic to another very well paid job,is quite frankly disgusting.
'He is chair of the Centre for Performance Led HR, a group of HR academics and top practitioners, and recently became vice president of the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development. '

I think ? HR management is just a " intellectualised " version of 80's style macho management . I think ? this right wing Professor came up with the idea and it was the in vogue thing in the mid to late 90's .

The gist of it is that you work as much overtime as possible to prove your " loyalty " and " commitment " to the Company and you report back to management everything that " terrible union " is up to .

The " terrible " union steward is always first up for redundancy , last in , first out doesn't apply , that's if they've not got rid of him or her by fair or foul means first .

The " magic circle " is incestuous " as Mandy said about RM's senior management - " there seems to be a deficient senior management gene pool in the UK " and Hooper said RM's Senior Management " lack the expertise to run a postal operation " .

They're just hired hands or " useful " idiots

They have a satire cartoon strip in " Private Eye " called " The Directors " , in one a director was called into Whitehall and was told " You've cocked up with this company ; so we're giving you RM " - so things are designed to fail and Privatisation becomes the "panacea"

Leighton has tried to distance himself from Government with RM but I wouldn't fall for that nice cop act for a second

[DirtyHarry]

The Daily Sieg Heil

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ag-on.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ( Stewardess in Uniform spat at )

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -year.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; she got a bashing on the forum from someone offering to start a new union

A uncle of mine worked for them - you can read between the lines on that forum

What a nasty rag the Daily Wail is, you can almost sense the glee the journo felt when reporting on the stewardess spat at by a thickwit.
To that rag, and it's pathetic readership, there is never a good reason why people feel it necessary to take strike action. To that rag, and it's pathetic readership, morons like Crozier & Walsh are people to be lauded and applauded. Boy, would I love the chance to be their worst nightmare, and then some!

[norbert]

The Daily Sieg Heil

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ag-on.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ( Stewardess in Uniform spat at )

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -year.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; she got a bashing on the forum from someone offering to start a new union

A uncle of mine worked for them - you can read between the lines on that forum

What a nasty rag the Daily Wail is, you can almost sense the glee the journo felt when reporting on the stewardess spat at by a thickwit.
To that rag, and it's pathetic readership, there is never a good reason why people feel it necessary to take strike action. To that rag, and it's pathetic readership, morons like Crozier & Walsh are people to be lauded and applauded. Boy, would I love the chance to be their worst nightmare, and then some!

What was that stewardess supposed to do ? lift her skirt up and pull her tights and knickers down for Walsh & ex RM's McAvoy ? not her fault that her union may have handled it better ?

Hypochondriac Porn too amongst the middle v working class class war - blue collar v white collar

http://dailymailoncology.tumblr.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://thedailymailoncologicalontologyp ... press.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://charlieharvey.org.uk/daily_mail.pl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Daily Mail " story " generator

http://www.angrymob.uponnothing.co.uk/d ... dictionary" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Is this satire ?
http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougoliv ... at-o-tron/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - very handy for the on line version , you could copy and paste these in and nobody would know any different or use them on Turdsport Forum

shocking , appalling ! - Miss Brainia Dead - Middle England

[La Poste]

A swath of strike ballots are in danger of being struck down under legal challenges using the same loopholes that disabled the 12-day British Airways strike.
According to sources close to active industrial disputes, a number of strike ballots involving rail and bus operators are facing legal challenges using the same arguments that won BA a surprise injunction this week.
BA's lawyers were inspired by a case against a bus strike in London last year that was ruled illegal due to irregularities in the ballot running up to industrial action. Metrobus won the legal battle using a section of the 1992 Trade Union Act that requires unions to give the company accurate voting information, including the number of employees who voted and details of their respective departments.
The revelation comes as Unite, which lost the Metrobus and BA court fights, officially informed the airline today that it will re-ballot crew members for industrial action early in the new year.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009 ... lot-ruling

[norbert]

A swath of strike ballots are in danger of being struck down under legal challenges using the same loopholes that disabled the 12-day British Airways strike.
According to sources close to active industrial disputes, a number of strike ballots involving rail and bus operators are facing legal challenges using the same arguments that won BA a surprise injunction this week.
BA's lawyers were inspired by a case against a bus strike in London last year that was ruled illegal due to irregularities in the ballot running up to industrial action. Metrobus won the legal battle using a section of the 1992 Trade Union Act that requires unions to give the company accurate voting information, including the number of employees who voted and details of their respective departments.
The revelation comes as Unite, which lost the Metrobus and BA court fights, officially informed the airline today that it will re-ballot crew members for industrial action early in the new year.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009 ... lot-ruling

http://www.politics.ie/transport/71140- ... m-stg.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Views on Walsh in Ireland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8062844.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Martin Walsh]

There are 3 ex Royal Mail managers on the British Airways negotiating team Tony McCarthy , James Farren who McCarthy sent to Harvard when both were at Royal mail it was farren who introduced the punishment charter for offices who took unofficial industrial action including removing all local agreements and put the AREA REPS back to duty. He fell out with Higson and McCarthy took him to BA.

A further ex Royal Mail manager albeit only a Ex DSM is Snider who is an hard liner as well.