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Postal strike is an act of desperation (guardian)

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Re: Postal strike is an act of desperation (guardian)

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Postal_Customer wrote:As a customer, I agree that the strike is misguided.

Customers will get their mail delivered still, they will just use other means.

I had a chat to a postal work a while back, who let me know about all the spanish practices that used to go on. If any of those are still continuing today, then as a customer, I support Management in removing them. From some of the research I have done today, it seems they are. How about the easy rounds dished out by seniority that can be done in half a shift so people can do two rounds and be paid twice for a days work? Has this sort of guff (that I was told about those sort of things by a postman) been stamped out?

Are workers still getting paid for "rest days"? As a customer who works for a living, someone please explain to me why the cost of stamps should be inflated by people being be paid for doing nothing?

We must have modernisation, and use of technology, and the workers cannot hold strikes over the head of management to force them to be given the benefits of cost savings.

The royal mail must be competitive and cost effective and profitable.

I hate to say it, as I treasure the Royal Mail, but if it cannot be allowed to modernise by the unions, it deserves to go the way of the British Leyland.

If the unions destroy the Royal Mail, the public will never forgive them.

The quality of the postal service has declined massively over the decades, and the cost of stamps has soared. The public has noticed, and is not impressed.

Give us early morning first post. Stop dumping "sorry you were out cards" when the customers are in.

Its just not acceptable.

I think your questions regarding the once early morning delivery should be passed on to those responsible for its demise. As for the rest of your out of date, ill-informed opinions, I'll bet you still wear flares and a tank top.
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jaja wrote:
Postal_Customer wrote:
wanchope123 wrote:
What success? Crozier is rning dowm RM to privatise us? are you blind?
Its not running down. Its an attempt to make the Royal Mail lean modern and efficient, which is something that any organisation should be, public or private sector.

I dont want to see the Royal Mail privatised, but if thats the only way to make it efficient, then thats the way it will go.

Sounds like a RM Manager to me????

A Tory at any rate!
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Who gives a f#ck what postal_customer thinks they are not the one getting shafted. :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh
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Re: Postal strike is an act of desperation (guardian)

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[quote="Postal_Customer
I suppose if the work can be reasonably done by someone else who is reasonably fit and wont complain, then they should be given the work, the job will find its own natural profile of worker who is prepared to do the work.

If noone is prepared to do the work for the pay and conditions then they will have to pay more.

Market forces will do the job, we dont need unions holding companies to ransom[/quote]

lol your way out of ideas mate

just turn off the pc, your winding me up. are you my manager?

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jockstrapp wrote:Who gives a f#ck what postal_customer thinks they are not the one getting shafted. :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh
He's good for a laugh though! Another self-appointed 'expert' on a subject he knows nothing about. It's very obvious he has swallowed the RM line from Sadam Crazier and the plasterboard salesman. I'm surprised he hasn't said "our people" when refering to the work force.
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Postal_Customer wrote:It makes me smile

That's probably just wind.
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It's Mandelson ! :mfo


Do one you ignorant wally!!
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Postal_Customer wrote:In this time of rising unemployment
A Tory's dream come true! Better change your trolleys pal!
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Take the blinkers off pal, no one is scared of a fairs days work for a fair days pay! This is not whats happening.
The inefficiencies you talk of are being done on purpose so you the public will except privatization. Do you not think i & other posties use the service & want a good reliable RM. One things for sure if you don't educate yourself to the real facts of this dispute & back the posties, you will have the service you deserve! I guess you would still blame the union.
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I am more concerned as a customer about the postal workers who dont carry parcels out and put the "sorry you were out" cards through the letter box when customers are in, and when challenged admit they didnt even have the parcel on them. The postal workers who sign themselves for signed deliveries, who leave mail on th doorstep in plain view of the road, who deliver my mail to the wrong house, and other people's mail to mine. The groups of heavy mail items that seems to get delayed over several days when I know it was all sent to me at the same time. The sorting offices who leave the phone off the hook so people cant arrange redliveries. The birthday cards that arrived ripped open, someone in the chain having been checking for cash.

You have had personal experience of each of the above instances that you have listed?
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Could also be due to the increasing numbers of Agency/casual staff used by Royal Mail
which is likely to increase with their concept of modernisation.
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Postal_Customer wrote:
Ahebban wrote:I am more concerned as a customer about the postal workers who dont carry parcels out and put the "sorry you were out" cards through the letter box when customers are in, and when challenged admit they didnt even have the parcel on them. The postal workers who sign themselves for signed deliveries, who leave mail on th doorstep in plain view of the road, who deliver my mail to the wrong house, and other people's mail to mine. The groups of heavy mail items that seems to get delayed over several days when I know it was all sent to me at the same time. The sorting offices who leave the phone off the hook so people cant arrange redliveries. The birthday cards that arrived ripped open, someone in the chain having been checking for cash.

You have had personal experience of each of the above instances that you have listed?
Yes I have, of all apart from actually having the postie sign for the item on my behalf.

I have had items left on doorstep, even if signed for or special delivery, I have phoned for hours to try to get through to a depot only to have to complain repeatedly at high levels (now they answer phone every time), I have had wrong mail delivered, and had to resort to joining the postal audit and using postwatch stickers to get the service improved. These things worked, but why oh why as customers do we have to complain and complain and complain to just get a basic level of
dedicated service.

A birthday card I sent last week to my grandfather was ripped open before delivery, we found out because he phoned to ask if we had put any cash in it for him.

Its not good enough, and I feel confident that without the influence of the unions, it would have been far easier to get these sorts of matters resolved.

I am fully behind the government and the Royal Mail if they try and stop the union interference in modernisation once and for all. I think a lot of the public would feel the same way.
I think you're on a wind up, either that or you're a serial complainer, the kind of person that every member of the service industry can't stand.

Telephones don't get answered at my local collection office either - because there's only one member of staff to serve all the customers, sort the packets and answer the phone.

If a birthday card was slit open it was more than likely the sorting machine, it happens all the time (although it should have been put into a damage bag - maybe the postman just didn't have time :roll: )

And I don't believe for one minute that you have had Special Delivery items left on your doorstep. You claim this yet also say you haven't experienced a postman signing for anything - so who did sign for them? :whistle

Leaving normal parcels, well it shouldn't be done but maybe the postman is trying to save himself a bit of time so he can actually complete his duty in time, or get to his collapse, which apparently should improve service according to you.

As for misdeliveries, when I started at RM we had time to check the whole delivery as we tied it up, and resort any missorts. Now I don't even have time to make a cup of tea in a morning, let alone check through 1500 letters.
groups of heavy mail items that seems to get delayed over several days when I know it was all sent to me at the same time.
What has that got to do with RM staff? Just because some items are posted at the same time doesn't mean they will arrive together as well. Not as much mail arrives as quickly as it used to now, it's called 'modernisation'.


Every one of these instances can be explained or solved by staffing levels and workloads. And believe it or not your vision of RM's brave new world with a fantastic service doesn't include employing more.

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Re: Postal strike is an act of desperation (guardian)

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Postal_Customer wrote:
baldrick wrote:Could also be due to the increasing numbers of Agency/casual staff used by Royal Mail
which is likely to increase with their concept of modernisation.
I agree that use of agency staff has been a factor, but if the unions had been embracing change, and workers were more flexible re absorption etc, then perhaps there would have been less use of agency staff?

how flexible on absorption is flexible in your eyes, expected to work overtime to do it wether you want to or not ?

you come on here trying to tell us our jobs when you have never done our jobs ... what a roaster you are
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Postal_Customer wrote:
baldrick wrote:Could also be due to the increasing numbers of Agency/casual staff used by Royal Mail
which is likely to increase with their concept of modernisation.
I agree that use of agency staff has been a factor, but if the unions had been embracing change, and workers were more flexible re absorption etc, then perhaps there would have been less use of agency staff?
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IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
Postal_Customer wrote:
baldrick wrote:Could also be due to the increasing numbers of Agency/casual staff used by Royal Mail
which is likely to increase with their concept of modernisation.
I agree that use of agency staff has been a factor, but if the unions had been embracing change, and workers were more flexible re absorption etc, then perhaps there would have been less use of agency staff?
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