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Have to vote No

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nuisance
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Re: Have to vote No

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Woody Guthrie wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 06:06
i'll take a punt on a NO

If it was a reasonable punt, a punt with at least a chance of a win I would join you but it's not.

The bookie, the owner, the trainer, the jockey and even the horse is telling you it's a mug's bet.

I think even your heart is.
No wonder we've got flip all out of the negotiations if they sent in anyone with an attitude like this.

Nothing has changed since we went into the strikes in the first place, except RM have sabotaged the service a little bit more to make us appear even more s**t and the union have fannied around calling and cancelling strikes. It's only a mug's bet because the bleeding union are throwing a win at RM. We'd still be as solid as at the beginning given there's no more on offer for us yet since then, in the sense of t & cs which are just as important to us as money. Why are such a strong membership being lead with such negativity? It's an embarrassment. FFS, sort yourself out.
Nickvilla20
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Re: Have to vote No

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LouBarlow wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 06:21
postslippete wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 06:03





Are there any vacancies in your office at Greendale?? Credit to your managers for insisting that you all work your hours though :thumbup
:chuckle

We are short staffed currently. The irony of it is we are successful. Without getting too specific as I have some quite antagonistic stalkers on here, but we were one of the best performing units in the country. That was pre-revision though so we will have to see how that changes things.
Your office sounds similar to mine most are clearing their duties with easy time to spare I’m actually finding I have more time on the longer days. In comparison my old office is an absolute shambles it’s seems no to offices are the same.

I don’t think can deny though that the mail is at an all time low.
claystones
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by claystones »

Well said nuisance excellent post mate
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by Woody Guthrie »

It's only a mug's bet because the bleeding union are throwing a win at RM.
It doesn't matter why it's a mug's bet.
It's just a mug's bet.
That's kind of the point.
You can imagine that somehow those same leaders will find their fighting trousers if you want.
I'm more of a realist.
Only dead fish follow the current
barrychuckle
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by barrychuckle »

Going back to gambling, horse racing and punts only last week at royal Ascot Valiant Force won at 150/1 shame we are being led by a cowardly force.
jmcg
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by jmcg »

Is it possible that Royal Mail would actually like the membership to vote no?…
blacov
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by blacov »

jmcg wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 09:19
Is it possible that Royal Mail would actually like the membership to vote no?…
Very unlikely. They are desperate for some stability so they can focus on things they see important. Parcel delivery growth and planning how to return to profitability. It is also important for shareholders. Markets don't like uncertainty.
postslippete
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by postslippete »

blacov wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 09:33
jmcg wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 09:19
Is it possible that Royal Mail would actually like the membership to vote no?…
Very unlikely. They are desperate for some stability so they can focus on things they see important. Parcel delivery growth and planning how to return to profitability. It is also important for shareholders. Markets don't like uncertainty.

Yes, Royal Mail do need this agreement and there is a lot riding on it. They don't want an unwilling and striking workforce They want posties to accept the changes so that they can be well placed in the future.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Grumpypostie
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by Grumpypostie »

BenacreNick wrote:
25 Jun 2023, 16:21
I think it will be a 90% no vote, maybe a few more sold out for the extra £900, so a bit less now.

I would be staggered if the result is a yes vote.
It's not a sell out it's realisation.. DW and his chums got it wrong strategically it should of been all out none of this sill 1 day strike nonsense.. but then you would of got the whingers I can't afford to do a week strike I want and need the OT so everyone stop With the crying..
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by Woody Guthrie »

jmcg wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 09:19
Is it possible that Royal Mail would actually like the membership to vote no?…
I don't believe there is a consensus amongst the board which is probably why this dispute has lasted so long and been so bitter.

Just like any group of people there will be differences of opinion on what would be the best way forward.

I think they will have a plan either way and although they would prefer a deal I don't believe they are willing to compromise their plans to get one, that's really obvious by how poor the deal looks after 12 months.

If they were desperate for a deal at any cost it would have been done and dusted long ago.
Only dead fish follow the current
daveyeff
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by daveyeff »

they definitely want a yes. so when they come back with more of the same, they can turn round and say ''well you's voted for it''.
claystones
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Re: Have to vote No

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Think its going to be a big no vote 70/30
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by Woody Guthrie »

daveyeff wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 18:03
they definitely want a yes. so when they come back with more of the same, they can turn round and say ''well you's voted for it''.
If they come back for more by definition we won't have voted for it.
Only dead fish follow the current
daveyeff
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Re: Have to vote No

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how do you reckon?
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Have to vote No

Post by Woody Guthrie »

daveyeff wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 18:29
how do you reckon?
You suggested they would come back for more.
More would suggest more davey.
More than what's in the agreement.
Therefore more than we voted for.
Therefore they can't really say we voted for it.
Only dead fish follow the current