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needadvice
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Re: Reps Online Briefing today...

Post by needadvice »

It's funny how everyone was raving about that MP who ripped the RM bosses to shreds at the select committee. The RM bosses must of been grinning inside....We have an MP here who is helping them to reduce the USO to 5 days
DirtyHarry
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Re: Reps Online Briefing today...

Post by DirtyHarry »

redlen wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 19:45
The blame is on both Royal Mail and its employees equally

If the dispute is to move forward both sides need to acknowledge that
Employees are equally to blame?

I know of no postman/woman still with the sense God gave them, that would have done what various RM boards have done to our jobs in the last 20 odd years.
Incessant change, mostly just for change sake, has led to this 500 year old institution teetering on the brink.
No, my friend, posties, who are some of the hardest working people in modern industry, are nowhere near being equally to blame.
TopperGas
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Re: Reps Online Briefing today...

Post by TopperGas »

DirtyHarry wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 20:47
redlen wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 19:45
The blame is on both Royal Mail and its employees equally

If the dispute is to move forward both sides need to acknowledge that
Employees are equally to blame?

I know of no postman/woman still with the sense God gave them, that would have done what various RM boards have done to our jobs in the last 20 odd years.
Incessant change, mostly just for change sake, has led to this 500 year old institution teetering on the brink.
No, my friend, posties, who are some of the hardest working people in modern industry, are nowhere near being equally to blame.
Whilst we like to think we work the hardest is there any real evidence we work harder than Amazon or DPD delivery drivers? You do sense the employers abusing sickness pay have created issues with that aspect of our T&C's, with the minority most likely ruining it for the genuine majority.
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Post by korky »

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Whilst we like to think we work the hardest is there any real evidence we work harder than Amazon or DPD delivery drivers? You do sense the employers abusing sickness pay have created issues with that aspect of our T&C's, with the minority most likely ruining it for the genuine majority.
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ffs we ain't any other parcel company, they don't have to spend 5hrs walking the streets, they are in a warm or air-con van, absolutely no comparison

we have/had great t&c that we have fought for over the years that are been attacked, lose these and we will be worse than than the rest by a country mile
Clappedoutpostie
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Re: Reps Online Briefing today...

Post by Clappedoutpostie »

DirtyHarry wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 20:47
I know of no postman/woman still with the sense God gave them, that would have done what various RM boards have done to our jobs in the last 20 odd years.
Incessant change, mostly just for change sake, has led to this 500 year old institution teetering on the brink.
No, my friend, posties, who are some of the hardest working people in modern industry, are nowhere near being equally to blame.
The reason we have so much change for changes sake is because without it the vast layers of overpaid management wouldn’t be justified.
LouBarlow
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Post by LouBarlow »

korky wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 22:34


ffs we ain't any other parcel company, they don't have to spend 5hrs walking the streets, they are in a warm or air-con van, absolutely no comparison

we have/had great t&c that we have fought for over the years that are been attacked, lose these and we will be worse than than the rest by a country mile
I’d rather walk the streets for 5 hours than work till 9pm.
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Post by Thommo44 »

No Amazon or DPD delivery person would walk 10-15 miles a day, as much as people think they are similar jobs, they aren’t. How many new starters over the years have walked away in the first week, not realising how physical the job is? And you don’t see many drivers for those companies over 30 years old,

TopperGas wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 21:50
DirtyHarry wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 20:47
redlen wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 19:45
The blame is on both Royal Mail and its employees equally

If the dispute is to move forward both sides need to acknowledge that
Employees are equally to blame?

I know of no postman/woman still with the sense God gave them, that would have done what various RM boards have done to our jobs in the last 20 odd years.
Incessant change, mostly just for change sake, has led to this 500 year old institution teetering on the brink.
No, my friend, posties, who are some of the hardest working people in modern industry, are nowhere near being equally to blame.
Whilst we like to think we work the hardest is there any real evidence we work harder than Amazon or DPD delivery drivers? You do sense the employers abusing sickness pay have created issues with that aspect of our T&C's, with the minority most likely ruining it for the genuine majority.
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Re: Reps Online Briefing today...

Post by daveyeff »

LouBarlow wrote:
27 Mar 2023, 05:17
korky wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 22:34


ffs we ain't any other parcel company, they don't have to spend 5hrs walking the streets, they are in a warm or air-con van, absolutely no comparison

we have/had great t&c that we have fought for over the years that are been attacked, lose these and we will be worse than than the rest by a country mile
I’d rather walk the streets for 5 hours than work till 9pm.
it WILL be 9pm if they get their way.
arsenalbob
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Re: Reps Online Briefing today...

Post by arsenalbob »

redlen wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 19:45
The blame is on both Royal Mail and its employees equally

If the dispute is to move forward both sides need to acknowledge that
What have I done now?
redlen
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Post by redlen »

As stated previously,

Cutting the job up, abusing the sick
Angard staff get jumped on while managers walk past regular staff texting one their phones and just standing about gossiping
Not my job to do that mentality
etc, etc

It is all about productivity and work all paid hours

If a % of regular staff refrained from skiving dragging everybody else down, reliance on agency as a cost negative would diminished filling that vacuum.
77SAMPOST77
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Post by 77SAMPOST77 »

redlen wrote:
27 Mar 2023, 18:46
As stated previously,

Cutting the job up, abusing the sick
Angard staff get jumped on while managers walk past regular staff texting one their phones and just standing about gossiping
Not my job to do that mentality
etc, etc

It is all about productivity and work all paid hours

If a % of regular staff refrained from skiving dragging everybody else down, reliance on agency as a cost negative would diminished filling that vacuum.
redlen are you a agency worker employed by angard by any chance ?
redlen
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Post by redlen »

No

But look after their interests as the CWU refuse that responsibility for a fellow worker, and current CWU members
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Re: Reps Online Briefing today...

Post by Subman »

redlen wrote:
27 Mar 2023, 18:46
As stated previously,

Cutting the job up, abusing the sick
Angard staff get jumped on while managers walk past regular staff texting one their phones and just standing about gossiping
Not my job to do that mentality
etc, etc

It is all about productivity and work all paid hours

If a % of regular staff refrained from skiving dragging everybody else down, reliance on agency as a cost negative would diminished filling that vacuum.
Like the vast majority of my colleagues I work all the hours I'm paid, and we always have.

As for productivity, in our revision the duty I cover was increased by 35%.
But this has made me less productive and the business less productive;
I now have to cut off for all special deliveries;
and because I have to prioritise parcels, I drive passed hundreds of houses that I could be delivering letters to but instead I deliver a couple of dozen packets and parcels.
sixfoottwo
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Re: Reps Online Briefing today...

Post by sixfoottwo »

Subman wrote:
27 Mar 2023, 19:14
redlen wrote:
27 Mar 2023, 18:46
As stated previously,

Cutting the job up, abusing the sick
Angard staff get jumped on while managers walk past regular staff texting one their phones and just standing about gossiping
Not my job to do that mentality
etc, etc

It is all about productivity and work all paid hours

If a % of regular staff refrained from skiving dragging everybody else down, reliance on agency as a cost negative would diminished filling that vacuum.
Like the vast majority of my colleagues I work all the hours I'm paid, and we always have.

As for productivity, in our revision the duty I cover was increased by 35%.
But this has made me less productive and the business less productive;
I now have to cut off for all special deliveries;
and because I have to prioritise parcels, I drive passed hundreds of houses that I could be delivering letters to but instead I deliver a couple of dozen packets and parcels.
You actually don't but I guess you are maybe like me and just do it because the com has told you and at the end of the day it doesnt matter to me as I finish at my finish time and go home.

Very inefficient I agree, today I brought back loops that I maybe could have done if it wasn't for branching off to do the Tracked on the other loops ( off the other paired duty that stayed in...again!)
lizizriz
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Re: Reps Online Briefing today...

Post by lizizriz »

DirtyHarry wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 20:47
redlen wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 19:45
The blame is on both Royal Mail and its employees equally

If the dispute is to move forward both sides need to acknowledge that
Employees are equally to blame?

I know of no postman/woman still with the sense God gave them, that would have done what various RM boards have done to our jobs in the last 20 odd years.
Incessant change, mostly just for change sake, has led to this 500 year old institution teetering on the brink.
No, my friend, posties, who are some of the hardest working people in modern industry, are nowhere near being equally to blame.
And some are just plain delusional, hardest working!!!! Havent heard a line that funny for a while. And its not even Aprils Fool yet :left: