Nailing the ACAS Gimmick

[Martin Walsh]

Can we just nail the ACAS gimmick once and for all.

Royal Mail’s offer to go to ACAS is not a serious offer. It is a publicity stunt.

It is akin to a married couple saying to their wedded partner , I want to go to marriage guidance but by the way I have cut your bank and credit cards up , taken your clothes to the tip and I am now kicking you out of the house.

It is another gimmick in a long line of gimmicks by Royal Mail.

If Simon Thompson really wants to get his hands dirty then he needs to get into the negotiating room with the CWU and stop plotting in the background.

Your change program will destroy the Royal Mail. You might think that data supplied by “data Mark “ makes your change program work but those on the front line deal in reality.

Your track record on change is abysmal, we have back less frames without porters , we have huge problems in the new parcel hub, we saw the failure of structural revisions , quality of service is at the lowest in decades and the trust agenda in the company is at a record low.

The CWU are up for proper negotiations not gimmicks and ready to meet you at any time.

Our members are United and ready to fight for their hard fought terms and conditions and against your flawed vision of the future which is simply a levelling down exercise.

The CWU are standing up for customers , services and the membership.

You, on the other hand are simply standing up for the shareholder !

All CWU members know that and are willing to fight for their futures !

Support the strikes and stand proud !

[Rumple]

Well said Mr Walsh. I’m 100% behind the Union!!!

[iHateD2Ds]

Here Here.

[clashcityrocker]

What is Data mark?

[Martin Walsh]

Simon Thompson has recruited someone who complies data for Simon on PDA -OA , traffic performance rates etc.

They have a room in Mount Pleasant they call the performance room with every office PDA OA results and how quick they should be sorting. This data is what there plans are based on.

He calls him Data Mark !

[claystones]

even if we go to acas its got to be after christmas to suit us not them well done cwu 100% behind you

[norris9]

Simon should resign.

He was the one that wanted this trust survey to happen each year for posties to rate management on their trust towards us. He's now become the most untrustworthy person in the company and he's the CEO. I believe the trust survey determined whether or not management got a bonus. If we did the same survey for him he'd probably score 0% and would have no bonuses for the rest of his time here.

and as for the revisions - they were an absolute shambles, some didn't even get put in place at all (maybe that was a good thing as others were a mess). An absolute waste of time and money! Posties could have simply told you how to change their own rounds - it didn't need guys with a computer coming in to go through marking up the whole round wasting 1 to 2 hours of time per round.

There is no common sense when it comes to the management at Royal Mail.

[Dorset Plodder]

Can we just nail the ACAS gimmick once and for all.

Royal Mail’s offer to go to ACAS is not a serious offer. It is a publicity stunt.

It is akin to a married couple saying to their wedded partner , I want to go to marriage guidance but by the way I have cut your bank and credit cards up , taken your clothes to the tip and I am now kicking you out of the house.

Thats a very amusing analogy Martin ....... shame there's a lot of truth in it.

[Dorset Plodder]

I believe the trust survey determined whether or not management got a bonus.

I believe that was true as well, why otherwise why do you think Managers were pushing so hard for you to complete them?

There is no common sense when it comes to the management at Royal Mail.

NOTHING'S meant to make sense in Royal Mail Norris .... It's just meant to make PROFIT! and we know who gets that!

[tractorboy2]

Dave Ward said they (CWU) would offer further talks and if real progress was made, would suspend the strikes.
What would be progress? and would you really expect Thompson to honour anything he says?

[goneaway]

Can we just nail the ACAS gimmick once and for all.

Royal Mail’s offer to go to ACAS is not a serious offer. It is a publicity stunt...

Martin, apologies if I've missed anything, but have Simon Thompson or anyone else from Royal Mail management expanded on exactly how they envisage that ACAS would be involved in the dispute? All I've seen from Royal Mail is that they've asked the union if the dispute can be referred to ACAS. But have they said they want ACAS to provide CONCILIATION (help the parties try to resoplve matters, but not bind them to a particular outcome) or for ARBITRATION (both sides would have to accept the arbitrator's decision).

The differences between conciliation and arbiration are explained on the ACAS website. https://www.acas.org.uk/dispute-resolution

Reading the notes there about arbitration, ACAS say:

"It's better if both sides, or their representatives, can resolve the dispute between themselves first. Both sides should try and work something out together or use Acas conciliation to help reach an agreement."

From where I'm standing, it doesn't seem that Royal Mail have attempted to discuss or negotiate anything seriously for months, and any communications are just "talks about talks" or threats impose changes and tear up existing agreements.

Would ACAS even accept the case for consideration, given the lack of serious discussion? Have Royal Mail said they want to go straight to arbitration, or go down the conciliation route first? I think it's important for members to know, as arbitration could perhaps commit both sides to accepting many of Royal Mail's radical proposals to introduce poorer terms and conditions.

Have CWU rejected both conciliation and arbitration?

[Acca Dacca]

Dave Ward said they (CWU) would offer further talks and if real progress was made, would suspend the strikes.
What would be progress? and would you really expect Thompson to honour anything he says?

A huge mistake when dealing with Thompson

Huge

[Woody Guthrie]

Would ACAS even accept the case for consideration, given the lack of serious discussion?

The idea that you could just rock up at ACAS after absolutely zero genuine negotiations and without at least a framework for an agreement is ludicrous.

ACAS are an arbitration service designed for unblocking particular and individual sticking points in a process of negotiation, they are not as Simon seems to think there to hold your hand from day one.

I would imagine the response from ACAS would be go away and decide what you can agree on first then come back to us with what you can't agree on.

[POSTMAN]

Simon Thompson has recruited someone who complies data for Simon on PDA -OA , traffic performance rates etc.

They have a room in Mount Pleasant they call the performance room with every office PDA OA results and how quick they should be sorting. This data is what there plans are based on.

He calls him Data Mark !

He's a professor so have some respect-He knows what he is talking about. (joke btw-just in case)

My name is Mark Briers and I am Royal Mail's chief data and analytics officer.
Now you may also not know that I am a professor of statistics. so when I talk about statistics and data, I genuinely do know what I am talking about,

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[chocolatesaltyballs]

The ACAS talk is just a " dead cat " to get Christmas out of the way and carry on his agenda of executive action in the New Year. There should be no suspension of any action until we have everything agreed and signed off