Schools and keep safes

slave · Post by **slave** » 30 Jan 2008, 20:39

In our WTL this week we were informed that unless a school had a keepsafe we had to attempt delivery, if there was nowhere to deliver it to we kill it off - no compromise!
Apparently the regulator has said schools should be treated the same as any other firms.

There was a mixed reaction of those that agree and those that don't.. Has anyone else been informed of this, implemented it etc etc???

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 30 Jan 2008, 20:46

It's been mentioned in here before but I don't think it's anything to do with the regulator but RM management wanting to make extra money. But the thing is if we start to do that then we should have to do it with everyone (including any business that closes on a Saturday).

Post by **dvbuk55** » 30 Jan 2008, 21:00

disgruntledpostie1 wrote:It's been mentioned in here before but I don't think it's anything to do with the regulator but RM management wanting to make extra money. But the thing is if we start to do that then we should have to do it with everyone (including any business that closes on a Saturday).

Yes! It was the cause of quite a heated argument between me and a manager. When I pointed that very fact out I was told "we should use common sense" - I said "precisely" - if a place is closed it's closed. This was at christmas when I asked for the retentions list for SDs when many firms close for a fortnight as well as schools - we always sent a letter to firms asking for their preference, this year we didn't and the reason was "there has to be a keepsafe" - aye there's common sense alright. This firm is run by idiots.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 30 Jan 2008, 21:05

Moved to Blue Shirts and here's the original thread.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... php?t=5506

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 30 Jan 2008, 21:06

dvbuk55 wrote:
disgruntledpostie1 wrote:It's been mentioned in here before but I don't think it's anything to do with the regulator but RM management wanting to make extra money. But the thing is if we start to do that then we should have to do it with everyone (including any business that closes on a Saturday).
Yes! It was the cause of quite a heated argument between me and a manager. When I pointed that very fact out I was told "we should use common sense" - I said "precisely" - if a place is closed it's closed. This was at christmas when I asked for the retentions list for SDs when many firms close for a fortnight as well as schools - we always sent a letter to firms asking for their preference, this year we didn't and the reason was "there has to be a keepsafe" - aye there's common sense alright. This firm is run by idiots.

And there goes more drop points as schools do take second bags for many of us another spark of genius form royalmail!. :cfo & :lfo

Post by **POSTMAN** » 30 Jan 2008, 21:20

Personally i still stand by what i said in the original thread which was that they should pay.
Spoke to one of my schools just before xmas,they knew nothing about it,my Managers did not mention it at all.
Now how many schools,firms and what nots are there that close for long periods in the UK,and how much revenue is being lost there.
We are being taken for granted and to be honest it's a bit of a piss take.

Stormproof · Post by **Stormproof** » 30 Jan 2008, 21:25

I totally agree with you Postman, why should we hold their mail for free, we are providing a service, we are not a charity, they want a service let them pay for it.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 30 Jan 2008, 21:35

k66yla wrote:I totally agree with you Postman, why should we hold their mail for free, we are providing a service, we are not a charity, they want a service let them pay for it.

Are we not their for ceaseing to become a public service and thus becomeing a buisness?.

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 30 Jan 2008, 21:56

Argh wha appen ,one now two.It's T-man tman all over again

Stormproof · Post by **Stormproof** » 30 Jan 2008, 22:04

The schools are a pain in the a**e, they are always ringing up moaning that there post is late, during school holidays they turn up willy nilly to collect there mail, no notice/arrangements in place for collection, our Callers is'nt attached to the D.O. so they expect you to lock up and go get there mail.....no chance

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 30 Jan 2008, 22:16

k66yla wrote:The schools are a pain in the a**e, they are always ringing up moaning that there post is late, during school holidays they turn up willy nilly to collect there mail, no notice/arrangements in place for collection, our Callers is'nt attached to the D.O. so they expect you to lock up and go get there mail.....no chance

Ok lets put it another way if the school has to pay let's say for the sake of argument Â£107 a year who acctully pay's it is it the school NO is it the council NO no it's the taxpayer YOU AND ME AND EVERYONE TO SUBSIDES THESE TWO PLONKER'S :cfo & :lfo .

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 30 Jan 2008, 22:43

How much does it cost RM to keepsafe mail? Oh it's half term, can't deliver that till next week. that'llbe Â£17.50 thanks

PhilthyPhil · Post by **PhilthyPhil** » 31 Jan 2008, 17:51

disgruntledpostie1 wrote:It's been mentioned in here before but I don't think it's anything to do with the regulator but RM management wanting to make extra money. But the thing is if we start to do that then we should have to do it with everyone (including any business that closes on a Saturday).

On all the walks I do the businesses and schools all have a saturday retention listed in the walk log so I just leave the mail on the frame on saturday. I don't know if this is something they have to pay for though.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 31 Jan 2008, 17:56

PhilthyPhil wrote:
disgruntledpostie1 wrote:It's been mentioned in here before but I don't think it's anything to do with the regulator but RM management wanting to make extra money. But the thing is if we start to do that then we should have to do it with everyone (including any business that closes on a Saturday).
On all the walks I do the businesses and schools all have a saturday retention listed in the walk log so I just leave the mail on the frame on saturday. I don't know if this is something they have to pay for though.

No it is after three day's only so not weekend's but do not know about (good friday to the tuesday after)!.

slave · Post by **slave** » 03 Feb 2008, 17:38

k979aaa wrote:
PhilthyPhil wrote:
disgruntledpostie1 wrote:It's been mentioned in here before but I don't think it's anything to do with the regulator but RM management wanting to make extra money. But the thing is if we start to do that then we should have to do it with everyone (including any business that closes on a Saturday).
On all the walks I do the businesses and schools all have a saturday retention listed in the walk log so I just leave the mail on the frame on saturday. I don't know if this is something they have to pay for though.
No it is after three day's only so not weekend's but do not know about (good friday to the tuesday after)!.

We were told to try to deliver it, if there was no access we send/take it back and kill it off - no mention of trying it for a few days which is what I thought was standard procedure..? (didn't bring it up as a question in WTL, cus I forgot about the three day rule!)