Poll what would you accept to call off the strikes

[tractorboy2]

10% and the 35 hour week.

[emu72]

I think rm hope as many of us as possible jack it in by bringing in these ridiculous ott changes so they can employ new entrants with these crap contracts.why do they feel that we need to compete with other couriers by making the day start later.my customers are happy to receive their mail early

[datasaint]

.why do they feel that we need to compete with other couriers by making the day start later.my customers are happy to receive their mail early

Next day delivery with later acceptance is the reason for later starts.

If in the futureRoyal Mail allow businesses to drop off parcels at up to midnight into the network then then won't get to offices until 9am/10am.

That sort of offering to businesses would be a massive win, as those businesses could capture a boat load of orders from people shopping when home from work in the evening, then they would get their parcel next day.

I personally think that is the future for parcels, no two ways about it, Royal Mail either offer it or the competition will take over.

[roman]

I Agee the letters have become a Hindrance to the money making parcels. They have invested heavily in the parcel hubs and now want a big return in profits to pay for them. We are no longer a public service just a 2nd Amazon.The only way it might hurt them is for the regulator to fine them big for letter failures but that’s not going to happen.

[datasaint]

I Agee the letters have become a Hindrance to the money making parcels. They have invested heavily in the parcel hubs and now want a big return in profits to pay for them. We are no longer a public service just a 2nd Amazon.The only way it might hurt them is for the regulator to fine them big for letter failures but that’s not going to happen.

Yep that is the outlook, the government in its current form are anti-union, anti-royal mail. They wanted to break the union when it was under government ownership and failed, now it privatised they've been biding their time.

Ultimately if they succeed in beating the union they will make a shed load of money in selling off property, getting rid of excess staff, maximising on automation, employing cheaper labour.

The people that made Royal Mail are literally the thing in the way of it making more money now, as wages account for over half of revenue.

[barcajr]

Most people in my office are more worried about the proposed late starts and anualised hours than about the pay

[Spartacus]

At least 10% to get us back to work and back to the negotiating table and a commitment to a pay rise equal to inflation next year.

[postslippete]

Investment bank Citi have said that it is possible that rising energy prices could push UK inflation as high as 18% next year. Whereas the Bank of England have predicted that inflation will rise to over 13% in the coming months


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62634795


So unless inflation suddenly drops which doesn't look all that likely in the near future, we really have to be looking for at least 10%+


But we will have to accept some changes..

Because the question of the future won't be why does a company that has just made huge profits last year is allowed to pay its shareholders £400 million and recruit expensive members of the team plus overpaid bonuses now pleading poverty with £1 million losses everyday. But how much the company will actually save with some of these proposed changes and how much the company can afford.

[TopperGas]

Investment bank Citi have said that it is possible that rising energy prices could push UK inflation as high as 18% next year. Whereas the Bank of England have predicted that inflation will rise to over 13% in the coming months


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62634795


So unless inflation suddenly drops which doesn't look all that likely in the near future, we really have to be looking for at least 10%+


But we will have to accept some changes..

Because the question of the future won't be why does a company that has just made huge profits last year is allowed to pay its shareholders £400 million and recruit expensive members of the team plus overpaid bonuses now pleading poverty with £1 million losses everyday. But how much the company will actually save with some of these proposed changes and how much the company can afford.

I fear you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think RM are going to offer us anywhere near 10%, don't forget the economic meltdown is going to massively hit RM's profitable parcels business. If people can't afford to put the heating on this winter are they really going to keep on ordering on the tat we deliver on a daily basis?

[ProudhonPJ]

Investment bank Citi have said that it is possible that rising energy prices could push UK inflation as high as 18% next year. Whereas the Bank of England have predicted that inflation will rise to over 13% in the coming months


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62634795


So unless inflation suddenly drops which doesn't look all that likely in the near future, we really have to be looking for at least 10%+


But we will have to accept some changes..

Because the question of the future won't be why does a company that has just made huge profits last year is allowed to pay its shareholders £400 million and recruit expensive members of the team plus overpaid bonuses now pleading poverty with £1 million losses everyday. But how much the company will actually save with some of these proposed changes and how much the company can afford.

I fear you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think RM are going to offer us anywhere near 10%, don't forget the economic meltdown is going to massively hit RM's profitable parcels business. If people can't afford to put the heating on this winter are they really going to keep on ordering on the tat we deliver on a daily basis?

Indeed, people will be selling loads of stuff and getting it collected for free. We can then spend a good chunk of our time out there on this latest splendid idea.

[postslippete]

I fear you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think RM are going to offer us anywhere near 10%, don't forget the economic meltdown is going to massively hit RM's profitable parcels business. If people can't afford to put the heating on this winter are they really going to keep on ordering on the tat we deliver on a daily basis?

And I fear that you're buying into Royal Mail pleading poverty even though they made £726 million profit last year when most other companies were wrapping up.

People are still ordering the tat that we deliver online because it is still much cheaper and more convenient than actually going into a shop and buying it. Consumers habits don't seem to be changing anytime soon and the fact that we want to move to a 7 day parcels business reflects that.

Royal Mail has shown that it has the potential to make millions. If the company wants to make some of these proposals that will save them millions, why won't it be fair to pay the workers a decent wage rise nearer to inflation instead of giving most of it to shareholders and CEO bonuses?

[TopperGas]

I fear you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think RM are going to offer us anywhere near 10%, don't forget the economic meltdown is going to massively hit RM's profitable parcels business. If people can't afford to put the heating on this winter are they really going to keep on ordering on the tat we deliver on a daily basis?

And I fear that you're buying into Royal Mail pleading poverty even though they made £726 million profit last year when most other companies were wrapping up.

People are still ordering the tat that we deliver online because it is still much cheaper and more convenient than actually going into a shop and buying it. Consumers habits don't seem to be changing anytime soon and the fact that we want to move to a 7 day parcels business reflects that.

Royal Mail has shown that it has the potential to make millions. If the company wants to make some of these proposals that will save them millions, why won't it be fair to pay the workers a decent wage rise nearer to inflation instead of giving most of it to shareholders and CEO bonuses?

RM itself made nowhere near £726m, it was less than half that figure and fair slice of that was made on delivering COVID kits and delivering tat to the WFH/Furloughed crowd, the Monday to Saturday parcel deliveries have been noticeably down recently. If RM itself made £300m profits last year then they are going to come in somewhere around £100m/£200m this year, given each 1% pay rise costs £50m I've no idea where they are going to find the £500m for a 10% pay rise.

[BenacreNick]

The resignation of Simon Thompson CEO and a fair pay rise for a fair days work.

I would also make it a 2 year pay deal.

[Postee2]

"The resignation of Simon Thompson CEO and a fair pay rise for a fair days work.

I would also make it a 2 year pay deal."

Well, a 2 year pay deal it will probably be because by the time this is all sorted, April 2023 may only be a hop skip & step away anyhow.
But in general with inflation being driven so high with global events I'm not sure it's totally advisable. What for example if inflation next year is 20%, and we've accepted a 10% 2 year deal. If so we are going in reverse even more rapidly.
What a situation we are all in now.

[postslippete]

RM itself made nowhere near £726m, it was less than half that figure and fair slice of that was made on delivering COVID kits and delivering tat to the WFH/Furloughed crowd, the Monday to Saturday parcel deliveries have been noticeably down recently. If RM itself made £300m profits last year then they are going to come in somewhere around £100m/£200m this year, given each 1% pay rise costs £50m I've no idea where they are going to find the £500m for a 10% pay rise.

The figures don't lie toppergas, I'll find you more proof if you want about Royal Mail's profits (including GLS) from last year. And at least £400 million of that they awarded to shareholders.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... or-parcels

https://www.investegate.co.uk/royal-mai ... 0102297Z/

How do you come up with a 1% pay rise that costs £50m anyway??

Anyway, I've finished debating. In negotiations you never accept the first offer and Royal Mail's first offer was 5.5%. That suggests that they could offer more??

The other thing is that inflation is very real and some experts believe inflation is going to get worse, with at least 13% in the next few months.