Proposed annualised hours

[richietns]

Where is this commitment to deliver mentioned by Royal Mail btw? I'd like to read more on what they have said.

It has absolutely no chance of ever being implemented - im not even sure that its legal.

RMCtv : No cut offs - ever - You take it out - you deliver it all.

Ok so lets see what he said ( is he the only source btw? Because this guy is a clown )

''Something that's important to cover off is that we're looking to enhance the commit to deliver principle, whereby if you're allocated some work for a route on a day, we would want that work to be completed. So if we look at our competitors, they wouldn't cut off and return to the Depo. With some work outstanding. What we're looking for within the really flexible hours approach is to have that ability to flex on the day outside of those scheduled hours. So that if there are variations from day to day, we complete that work. And if we go over the scheduled time, we bank those hours.''


So first things first - he says enhance the commit to deliver principal. The word 'enhance' suggests the commitment already exists in some form and principle suggests its not a commitment at all.

The expectation that you complete your duty has always existed.

''We would WANT that work to be completed''

Well, they WANT all work completed now as it is - the question is whether they can FORCE it to be completed. There is a difference.

So really the only thing that is ''enhanced'' to the current system, is that rather than pay overtime to complete they want you to bank the hours instead.

There is nothing about being forced to - not even the word 'commit' means a thing when they have used enhance before it and crucially the word PRINCIPLE after it.

Does the commit to deliver principle exist just now? His words suggest it does.

So the ''commit to deliver principle'' actually means....well not a lot.

We are not commited at the moment we have a cut of time.

[Moose67]

if we do as the our union has been saying for years do job properly start on time take your breaks all mail in back of van seat belts on and no door stepping or leaving in safe places or signing for items for customers and then finishing on time there will be plenty of mail left in the offices so no annualised hours will be needed just more postmen/postwomen

[postiewhite]

So how would this work with 30hr contracts like me? The walks each day would need to be bagged up and the van revving waiting for me in the summer for me to be doing less hours in the summer. As a part timer I do at least an 50mins indoor before deliver
How could I possibly do less hours in the summer and more in the winter unless im reading this wrong.?

[Acca Dacca]

Where is this commitment to deliver mentioned by Royal Mail btw? I'd like to read more on what they have said.

It has absolutely no chance of ever being implemented - im not even sure that its legal.

RMCtv : No cut offs - ever - You take it out - you deliver it all.

Ok so lets see what he said ( is he the only source btw? Because this guy is a clown )

''Something that's important to cover off is that we're looking to enhance the commit to deliver principle, whereby if you're allocated some work for a route on a day, we would want that work to be completed. So if we look at our competitors, they wouldn't cut off and return to the Depo. With some work outstanding. What we're looking for within the really flexible hours approach is to have that ability to flex on the day outside of those scheduled hours. So that if there are variations from day to day, we complete that work. And if we go over the scheduled time, we bank those hours.''


So first things first - he says enhance the commit to deliver principal. The word 'enhance' suggests the commitment already exists in some form and principle suggests its not a commitment at all.

The expectation that you complete your duty has always existed.

''We would WANT that work to be completed''

Well, they WANT all work completed now as it is - the question is whether they can FORCE it to be completed. There is a difference.

So really the only thing that is ''enhanced'' to the current system, is that rather than pay overtime to complete they want you to bank the hours instead.

There is nothing about being forced to - not even the word 'commit' means a thing when they have used enhance before it and crucially the word PRINCIPLE after it.

Does the commit to deliver principle exist just now? His words suggest it does.

So the ''commit to deliver principle'' actually means....well not a lot.

We are not commited at the moment we have a cut of time.

Exactly

This proposal isnt a commitment either

Its a commitment ''in principle'' and based on the assumption there already exists some sort of lesser commitment ''in principal'' that they want to enhance

The truth is there isnt such a commitment in any form - there is an expectation that you complete your delivery which is why traditionally managers have frowned upon cutting off.

There will be no such rule implemented that forces us to work till completion any time soon.

[richietns]

Over the next three years there will if they get there way.

[LaggyBand]

If anyone thinks they don’t want…

PDA scan in and out with automatic late attendance warnings issued;

banked hours for overtime purposes and no more 552;

break monitoring (tell the PDA you on a break, and use it or lose it);

stationary outdoor OPG drop boxes (traffic jam, …and..not many other options);

and eventually even on the fly instructions issued (go and pick up Main Street off OPG 12 as he’s going over and you’re having too creamy a day)

…then you’re not paying attention to how much RM admire Amazon and the way the world is going in general.

[TopperGas]

If RM stopped paying overtime on a weekly basis, then people would simply stop doing it and the company wouldn't be able to survive for long.

[richietns]

The overtime will be there but it will be harder to get because of flexy hours.

[postslippete]

If RM stopped paying overtime on a weekly basis, then people would simply stop doing it and the company wouldn't be able to survive for long.

Step forward annualised hours!! They are allowing staff to finish early in the summer when they don't have to pay them and they are allowing staff to work longer hours in the winter and at Xmas when the number of parcels exceeds the number of letters - so they don't have to pay them overtime.

Watch this space for annualised hours going from say at maximum of 44 to maybe 42 or even 40. Even better what say we have an agreement for say 39 hours in the winter and 35 in the summer.



Just imagine how many hours could potentially be saved. Maybe I haven't given Simon enough credit

[Pidleypoo]

No one can be made to work past contracted hours be they annualised or not without paying you … banking hours isn’t legal.

They aren't talking about not paying people for the hours they work.

The point of annualised hours is to change your work pattern at different periods of the year depending on traffic but keep the same number of annual contracted hours and pay people their average contracted hours each week.

None of that requires a PDA or scan in/scan out.

You'll just be told for this 10 week period your contracted hours are 33hrs or 37hrs or 44hrs etc.

What happens over and above those hours will have nothing to do with annualised hours. That will be overtime and that's where flexi-hours or "banking hours" kicks in which will use PDA data.

Flexi-hours will not affect annualised hours but will affect weekly overtime payments because any time you're under your daily contracted hours will be subtracted from any time you are over.

Obviously one of the problems with this is that alongside a "commitment to deliver" and potentially a 44hr week you could conceivably get to Thursday 2-3hrs in the hole and a manager could say to you that your partner has gone sick and we want you to deliver the whole two duties even if it takes you until 8pm.

Unfortunately this system of recording work hours is very much legal.

They’re saying you bank hours aren’t they ? Over or under your contracted hours.

[Pidleypoo]

No one can be made to work past contracted hours be they annualised or not without paying you … banking hours isn’t legal.

They aren't talking about not paying people for the hours they work.

The point of annualised hours is to change your work pattern at different periods of the year depending on traffic but keep the same number of annual contracted hours and pay people their average contracted hours each week.

None of that requires a PDA or scan in/scan out.

You'll just be told for this 10 week period your contracted hours are 33hrs or 37hrs or 44hrs etc.

What happens over and above those hours will have nothing to do with annualised hours. That will be overtime and that's where flexi-hours or "banking hours" kicks in which will use PDA data.

Flexi-hours will not affect annualised hours but will affect weekly overtime payments because any time you're under your daily contracted hours will be subtracted from any time you are over.

Obviously one of the problems with this is that alongside a "commitment to deliver" and potentially a 44hr week you could conceivably get to Thursday 2-3hrs in the hole and a manager could say to you that your partner has gone sick and we want you to deliver the whole two duties even if it takes you until 8pm.

Unfortunately this system of recording work hours is very much legal.

I know what annualised hours are.

If I’m contracted to work x amount of hours in any given week and work exactly x amount of hours then Royal Mail say I have to commit to deliver for whatever reason, then that’s forced overtime and then I’m told I won’t be paid it but will be added to my annual leave which I can never book.

Sound , I’ll see them in court.

[HTPostman]

stationary outdoor OPG drop boxes (traffic jam, …and..not many other options);

Is it not an offence to use a handheld device while driving?

[POSTMAN]

Where is this commitment to deliver mentioned by Royal Mail btw? I'd like to read more on what they have said.

It has absolutely no chance of ever being implemented - im not even sure that its legal.

RMCtv : No cut offs - ever - You take it out - you deliver it all.

Ok so lets see what he said ( is he the only source btw? Because this guy is a clown )

''Something that's important to cover off is that we're looking to enhance the commit to deliver principle, whereby if you're allocated some work for a route on a day, we would want that work to be completed. So if we look at our competitors, they wouldn't cut off and return to the Depo. With some work outstanding. What we're looking for within the really flexible hours approach is to have that ability to flex on the day outside of those scheduled hours. So that if there are variations from day to day, we complete that work. And if we go over the scheduled time, we bank those hours.''


So first things first - he says enhance the commit to deliver principal. The word 'enhance' suggests the commitment already exists in some form and principle suggests its not a commitment at all.

The expectation that you complete your duty has always existed.

''We would WANT that work to be completed''

Well, they WANT all work completed now as it is - the question is whether they can FORCE it to be completed. There is a difference.

So really the only thing that is ''enhanced'' to the current system, is that rather than pay overtime to complete they want you to bank the hours instead.

There is nothing about being forced to - not even the word 'commit' means a thing when they have used enhance before it and crucially the word PRINCIPLE after it.

Does the commit to deliver principle exist just now? His words suggest it does.

So the ''commit to deliver principle'' actually means....well not a lot.

He is Grant McPherson : Chief Operating Officer- yes a clown - but a big deal clown.
He is saying exactly what he wants on the tin.

if you're allocated some work for a route on a day, we would want that work to be completed. So if we look at our competitors, they wouldn't cut off and return to the Depo. With some work outstanding.

[POSTMAN]

stationary outdoor OPG drop boxes (traffic jam, …and..not many other options);

Is it not an offence to use a handheld device while driving?

In Royal Mail it is.

[Acca Dacca]

Where is this commitment to deliver mentioned by Royal Mail btw? I'd like to read more on what they have said.

It has absolutely no chance of ever being implemented - im not even sure that its legal.

RMCtv : No cut offs - ever - You take it out - you deliver it all.

Ok so lets see what he said ( is he the only source btw? Because this guy is a clown )

''Something that's important to cover off is that we're looking to enhance the commit to deliver principle, whereby if you're allocated some work for a route on a day, we would want that work to be completed. So if we look at our competitors, they wouldn't cut off and return to the Depo. With some work outstanding. What we're looking for within the really flexible hours approach is to have that ability to flex on the day outside of those scheduled hours. So that if there are variations from day to day, we complete that work. And if we go over the scheduled time, we bank those hours.''


So first things first - he says enhance the commit to deliver principal. The word 'enhance' suggests the commitment already exists in some form and principle suggests its not a commitment at all.

The expectation that you complete your duty has always existed.

''We would WANT that work to be completed''

Well, they WANT all work completed now as it is - the question is whether they can FORCE it to be completed. There is a difference.

So really the only thing that is ''enhanced'' to the current system, is that rather than pay overtime to complete they want you to bank the hours instead.

There is nothing about being forced to - not even the word 'commit' means a thing when they have used enhance before it and crucially the word PRINCIPLE after it.

Does the commit to deliver principle exist just now? His words suggest it does.

So the ''commit to deliver principle'' actually means....well not a lot.

He is Grant McPherson : Chief Operating Officer- yes a clown - but a big deal clown.
He is saying exactly what he wants on the tin.

if you're allocated some work for a route on a day, we would want that work to be completed. So if we look at our competitors, they wouldn't cut off and return to the Depo. With some work outstanding.

No he isnt

He's Matthew Lawlor - ''Head of Delivery design''