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Going sick on strike days

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midegarelu
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by midegarelu »

aiden01 wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 17:30
midegarelu wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 17:20
deristrong wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 15:43
One of the four strike days is my day off anyway so if i was "sick" on one of the other ones I'd only lose two days money in all. Course, this wouldn't work if you're already on an absence sticky wicket.
During the last strike I was on long term sick after an operation.
I had pay deducted for the strike days as it was deemed that had I been well I would have been on strike.
How can they do that.
The strike dates were announced before I went sick.

Chased it through the Union but when they checked the rules RM were right.

As an aside had I been well I would have been out, so in some ways I expressed my solidarity!
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DirtyHarry
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by DirtyHarry »

Acca Dacca wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 16:53
I have more respect for those who choose to break the strike and work than those who choose to go sick during a strike so they dont lose pay

Frankly, you should be ashamed to even be considering it.

Striking is as much about sacrifice as it is about withdrawing your labour. Its showing that the issue is so important that you are prepared to lose a days pay over the issue.

What you are proposing is sneaky, underhand, cowardly and trust me everyone who is on strike will know what you have done and will not look too kindly on it.

In short - dont do it!
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by aiden01 »

midegarelu wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 18:22
aiden01 wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 17:30
midegarelu wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 17:20
deristrong wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 15:43
One of the four strike days is my day off anyway so if i was "sick" on one of the other ones I'd only lose two days money in all. Course, this wouldn't work if you're already on an absence sticky wicket.
During the last strike I was on long term sick after an operation.
I had pay deducted for the strike days as it was deemed that had I been well I would have been on strike.
How can they do that.
The strike dates were announced before I went sick.

Chased it through the Union but when they checked the rules RM were right.

As an aside had I been well I would have been out, so in some ways I expressed my solidarity!
Not doubting you mate just cant believe they can assume that you would strike.
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by postieblueshirt »

Sorry but don't believe for one second you were sick signed off and a strike was announced and they assumed you would strike and didn't get paid that is surely unlawful.
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by Surreypostie »

During one of our previous actions, myself and several others were on rest days, the managers stopped everybodies pay, we all get reimbursed the following week, They cannot stop your pay if you are on leave or a rest day / week, that is unlawful deduction of wages. Assuming you would strike is not an excuse.
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by WASD »

:thumbdown

No wonder sick pay is on the hit list!
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by Schiff »

WASD wrote:
12 Aug 2022, 11:43
:thumbdown

No wonder sick pay is on the hit list!
The OP has effectively said, on a forum that we know is frequented by senior managers, that he is considering stealing a days pay from his employer.

I hope that he hasn't provided any information in his previous posts on the forum that could be used to identify him. Absolutely pathetic, and it is posts such as that which RM will use to justify changes to our sick pay.
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by abuch1980 »

Surreypostie wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 23:42
During one of our previous actions, myself and several others were on rest days, the managers stopped everybodies pay, we all get reimbursed the following week, They cannot stop your pay if you are on leave or a rest day / week, that is unlawful deduction of wages. Assuming you would strike is not an excuse.
How can HR reimburse you for a rest day when you don't earn anything on a rest day anyhow ? 🤔🍻
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by yellowbelly »

abuch1980 wrote:
14 Aug 2022, 09:47
Surreypostie wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 23:42
During one of our previous actions, myself and several others were on rest days, the managers stopped everybodies pay, we all get reimbursed the following week, They cannot stop your pay if you are on leave or a rest day / week, that is unlawful deduction of wages. Assuming you would strike is not an excuse.
How can HR reimburse you for a rest day when you don't earn anything on a rest day anyhow ? 🤔🍻
I would imagine that management just deducted from all staff a monetary wage amount equal to the hours you would work
on the strike day hours without looking at who was supposed to be on rest day (or thinking that they could legally
do it). Then staff rightly got reimbursed when people kicked off that it was their day off.
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by HTPostman »

Schiff wrote:
12 Aug 2022, 13:50
WASD wrote:
12 Aug 2022, 11:43
:thumbdown

No wonder sick pay is on the hit list!
The OP has effectively said, on a forum that we know is frequented by senior managers, that he is considering stealing a days pay from his employer.

I hope that he hasn't provided any information in his previous posts on the forum that could be used to identify him. Absolutely pathetic, and it is posts such as that which RM will use to justify changes to our sick pay.
There is actually enough information in his previous posts to be identified. I won’t post the revealing information because I wouldn’t want to see a fellow colleague (whether they intended to pretend to be sick or not) be in trouble but we all need to be sensible with what we post.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.

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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by rambo1 »

midegarelu wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 17:20
deristrong wrote:
11 Aug 2022, 15:43
One of the four strike days is my day off anyway so if i was "sick" on one of the other ones I'd only lose two days money in all. Course, this wouldn't work if you're already on an absence sticky wicket.
During the last strike I was on long term sick after an operation.
I had pay deducted for the strike days as it was deemed that had I been well I would have been on strike.
Pretty sure that would have been illegal without asking you of your intentions should you have been at work. Kinda guilty until proved innocent instead of the other way around.
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by Woody Guthrie »

Royal Mail will not pay those who go sick on strike days.
That has been the case in all the previous strikes I've been involved in.
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Tman
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by Tman »

There's a difference between "go sick" and "are sick" though.
RM Paygroup can't assume that some poor sod off on long-term sick would have gone on strike therefore he loses a day's pay, and some piece of crap who phones in on the day with the make-believe hoarse dry throat, attempting to not lose a day's pay by going sick.
RM has never paid a day's casual sick on strike days in my experience.
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by Woody Guthrie »

I've never known anyone on long-term sick to have their pay abated for industrial action.
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Tman
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Re: Going sick on strike days

Post by Tman »

Someone in this thread claims he has.