Executive Action…

[k979aaa]

I would expect them to push on with executive action at a greater pace after the CWU’s announcement this afternoon. It’s what these sort of people do when they are upset.

Ways and means of cocking up things we don't like or have not agreed so bring it on.

[Dorset Plodder]

I mean you can make a point without exaggeration. The unit rate was 1.67p per item. You would have had to deliver 3000 items of d2d to make £50.

Bare in mind, there was a cap of 3 contracts during this time.

Are you saying your delivery, way back pre-2010 had 1000 delivery points?

No I certainly didn't have that many DPs Steve (that would have been an exageration Ha Ha)! I was a Reserve at the time and so was my mate. He used to HATE D2Ds So we had a deal, as we were moving around the duties his rotation followed me so I'd prep all the D2Ds (the bit he hated) I'd take where I was going he'd hoover up the rest and he'd give me 50% of whatever he was getting paid.

If you remember we had to count all the different contracts, and they had different payments, that was a bit of of a pain admitedly. We used to have a local newspaper that used to pay 3p an item. Wasn't every week but a Nice little earner.

[Walter sobchak]

I mean you can make a point without exaggeration. The unit rate was 1.67p per item. You would have had to deliver 3000 items of d2d to make £50.

Bare in mind, there was a cap of 3 contracts during this time.

Are you saying your delivery, way back pre-2010 had 1000 delivery points?

No I certainly didn't have that many DPs Steve (that would have been an exageration Ha Ha)! I was a Reserve at the time and so was my mate. He used to HATE D2Ds So we had a deal, as we were moving around the duties his rotation followed me so I'd prep all the D2Ds (the bit he hated) I'd take where I was going he'd hoover up the rest and he'd give me 50% of whatever he was getting paid.

If you remember we had to count all the different contracts, and they had different payments, that was a bit of of a pain admitedly. We used to have a local newspaper that used to pay 3p an item. Wasn't every week but a Nice little earner.

I knew a guy who use to take them out on several duties and even did them after he finished work in his own time and earned himself an extra £100+ but it was hard work as I did a couple on different duties myself when I was part-time.

[Dorset Plodder]

I knew a guy who use to take them out on several duties and even did them after he finished work in his own time and earned himself an extra £100+ but it was hard work as I did a couple on different duties myself when I was part-time.

There used to be a lot more opportunities to earn some extra cash ... WITHOUT GHOSTING. I've noticed for some time that Manager's are always taking vans to the local workshop for MOTs & Repairs now. That used to be a Nice little earner for Posties at the end of the day. I suppose everyone's finishing a lot later now and don't want the extra work.

Doesn't make sense that the DOM disappears during the early morning prep to deliver vans .... perhaps we need an Office Goffer?

[Minischoles]

It will not be re-nationalised, anyone who thinks that is even a possibility really is living in Cuckoo land. Letter volumes have plunged far too low to make that viable now due to alternative means such as e-mails with attachments/texts etc (all of which are sent free over the internet - and instant) and there are plenty of options out there to re-home the parcel trade.

If anything does happen, it will more than likely be split from GLS as has already been threatened and then what's left eventually bought out by another large competitor and the two amalgamated together under a new name.

It has happened in other industries, this is not being negative, just seeing things as they are.

They're not going to renationalise all of RM, but I could see a future where RM Parcels (taking the new mail centre and parcel hubs) is split off and amalgamated with Parcelforce and GLS to make a giant parcel company while RM Letters is left to fend for itself.

Given we know the letters business is non-viable and will collapse, the Government would be forced to take it under public control and just eat the losses to continue operating a letters service, while Simon and all the shareholders laugh their asses off with their new parcels business making a mint and no longer having to subsidise the letters business.

[Walter sobchak]

I knew a guy who use to take them out on several duties and even did them after he finished work in his own time and earned himself an extra £100+ but it was hard work as I did a couple on different duties myself when I was part-time.

There used to be a lot more opportunities to earn some extra cash ... WITHOUT GHOSTING. I've noticed for some time that Manager's are always taking vans to the local workshop for MOTs & Repairs now. That used to be a Nice little earner for Posties at the end of the day. I suppose everyone's finishing a lot later now and don't want the extra work.

Doesn't make sense that the DOM disappears during the early morning prep to deliver vans .... perhaps we need an Office Goffer?

We get this nearly every other day but they usually get some part-timer to come in 1-2 hours early to make the round trip.

Back in the day I would also do “foreigners” for other posties like collections or part of their rounds.

[Dorset Plodder]

It will not be re-nationalised, anyone who thinks that is even a possibility really is living in Cuckoo land.

They're not going to renationalise all of RM,

I'd like to know where you two are getting all your insightful information from?

However I realise it is a discussion forum. So I'd like to know what you think would happen if there was a split between The "New" SImon's Shiney Parcel Company and The "Old" Letters Only Re-Privatised Royal Mail? Do you think they'd give us the choice who we work for?

If they did I think Simon would be looking for a lot of New Staff .... obviously on Zero Hours Contracts.

[k979aaa]

Probably shareholders worrying about will happen I have shares not worried just want a fair days pay for a fair days work ask the whole Royal Mail board what a fair days pay is?

[Minischoles]

It will not be re-nationalised, anyone who thinks that is even a possibility really is living in Cuckoo land.

They're not going to renationalise all of RM,

I'd like to know where you two are getting all your insightful information from?

However I realise it is a discussion forum. So I'd like to know what you think would happen if there was a split between The "New" SImon's Shiney Parcel Company and The "Old" Letters Only Re-Privatised Royal Mail? Do you think they'd give us the choice who we work for?

If they did I think Simon would be looking for a lot of New Staff .... obviously on Zero Hours Contracts.

Well currently both of the main political parties are completely anti-nationalisation so the chances of RM being renationalised are slim to none - I suppose there's a chance Starmer is lying and will suddenly turn into a communist in power, but it's unlikely.

With regards to the parcel changes, it's just conjecture from how the upper management act and the huge focus currently on the PSM, new parcel mail centres and parcel hubs - the money is in parcels, letters make f**k all and as s**t as the C-Suite are they know what every C-Suite leech knows and that's how to extract as much profit as possible.

As to the workforce - you'd probably be given a choice to join the new parcels business as a wage slave akin to Amazon delivery workers, or given the choice of being sacked when RM Letters goes bust.

[sindba]

The country needs a regular physical delivery service to every address of some sort. Just look at how quickly we were classsified as key workers during Covid.

That's why the USO exists.

If that came under mortal threat, any responsible government would have no choice but to re-nationalise.

[hewittinspain]

If the annualised hours don't come in and its just a case of shifting the start and finish times then I'd imagine a lot of people wouldnt want to go over on their duty on heavy days. Its not too bad when you work til 2.30pm and you may work the extra half hour to complete but when nights start drawing in at 3.30 in the winter then I can't see people having the same desire to work over

[stevejm]

It will not be re-nationalised, anyone who thinks that is even a possibility really is living in Cuckoo land. Letter volumes have plunged far too low to make that viable now due to alternative means such as e-mails with attachments/texts etc (all of which are sent free over the internet - and instant) and there are plenty of options out there to re-home the parcel trade.

If anything does happen, it will more than likely be split from GLS as has already been threatened and then what's left eventually bought out by another large competitor and the two amalgamated together under a new name.

It has happened in other industries, this is not being negative, just seeing things as they are.

They're not going to renationalise all of RM, but I could see a future where RM Parcels (taking the new mail centre and parcel hubs) is split off and amalgamated with Parcelforce and GLS to make a giant parcel company while RM Letters is left to fend for itself.

Given we know the letters business is non-viable and will collapse, the Government would be forced to take it under public control and just eat the losses to continue operating a letters service, while Simon and all the shareholders laugh their asses off with their new parcels business making a mint and no longer having to subsidise the letters business.

You'd be surprised to know that many many countries don't have a daily nationwide letter service as we know it. I know of one country that now has no post offices at all. The economy was not impacted at all. You can send a letter from end of the country to another for $7. In the UK there is scope to set up a privatised letter service but the charges will be multiples of what they are now. In that scenario, greetings cards would become obsolete. Everybody would be forced to go online and online signature technology would be vastly improved.

[stevejm]

The country needs a regular physical delivery service to every address of some sort. Just look at how quickly we were classsified as key workers during Covid.

That's why the USO exists.

If that came under mortal threat, any responsible government would have no choice but to re-nationalise.

Other countries without any postal service got through the COVID pandemic without higher mortality rates than the UK. If there is a correlation between testing kits being delivered and lesser mortality/sickness rates I think it'd be hard to prove.
As it stands, the letter side of our business is not crucial to a functioning economy but it could play a larger part, as the union suggests, except the asset stripping shareholders are not interested.

[Dorset Plodder]

You keep talking stevejm, and you'll talk yourself right out of a job.

If this Country doesn't need, or want, a Postal Service than so be it. I'll deal with the consequences when they come along. However I would prefer a Leadership that tried to grow the letters side of the business instead of just saying, "That's it ... Letters are finished .... nobody uses them anymore"!

This is the same mentality that closes local bank branches and trys to convince everyone that cash is no longer wanted. Only because it's more PROFITABLE for those Assholes! Don't piss down my back Simon and tell me it's raining.