Weighing Pouches?

[k979aaa]

I've only got one bag, but I fill it up 3 or 4 times while I'm out. How am I going to weigh it out on the streets?

You a surposed to weigh the bloodly things before you go out!.

LOL! I see. The woven plasticky white and grey sacks are supposed to get weighed, then I fill my red bag from them? I'm going to ask about that when I get a chance. It was mentioned on my day's induction, sacks 11kg and red bags 16kg, but it's never been mentioned since I started at the DO. In fact, if what I think is the weighing machine is, then I have yet to see anybody weigh anything.

Ok dont get me started but all do's (delivery office's) must have bag weighing equipment (scales) at least and if it has a hook you could use the white plastic tab on the bag to hang it from but if it does not have a tab make a hole in it if it does not have one?. BUT IF YOU MAKE BAG'S OVER WEIGHT YOU AND YOU ALONE WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CONDUCT CODE FOR INJURY TO YOUR FELLOW WORKER'S IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THIS!.

[brothermagrew]

I've only got one bag, but I fill it up 3 or 4 times while I'm out. How am I going to weigh it out on the streets?

You a surposed to weigh the bloodly things before you go out!.

LOL! I see. The woven plasticky white and grey sacks are supposed to get weighed, then I fill my red bag from them? I'm going to ask about that when I get a chance. It was mentioned on my day's induction, sacks 11kg and red bags 16kg, but it's never been mentioned since I started at the DO. In fact, if what I think is the weighing machine is, then I have yet to see anybody weigh anything.

Ok dont get me started but all do's (delivery office's) must have bag weighing equipment (scales) at least and if it has a hook you could use the white plastic tab on the bag to hang it from but if it does not have a tab make a hole in it if it does not have one?. BUT IF YOU MAKE BAG'S OVER WEIGHT YOU AND YOU ALONE WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CONDUCT CODE FOR INJURY TO YOUR FELLOW WORKER'S IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THIS!.

My friends the term is contributory negligence. I can recall a case from way back when a postie was removing a drop of delivery pouch from his van and badly injured his back union lawyers took up his personal injury case against RM for him in Court he won his case and I think from memory was awarded somewhere in the region of between £5000 - £10,000 but would probably have won more but he was deemed to have contributed to his own injury as he never ensured that the delivery pouch had been properly weighed and recorded by the individual. He should have as a precaution test lifted the delivery pouch and if in doubt should have raised his legitimate health and safety concerns there and then with the DOM. He must have due to worktime pressures just bunged it in his delivery van for dropping off and when the time came for him to extract it from the rear of his van the said injury took place. From memory I think he was found to have contributed 20% to his downfall.

Least we forget RM as the employer have legal responsibilities and it is they who should have ensured in the first place that safe system of work (SSOW) were properly put into practice and enforced. So on that basis I as a CWU Safety Rep cannot agree with the part of the statement that says YOU AND YOU ALONE.

[harmony]

This week's big thing in our office is the compulsory weighing of pouches.

Am I niave to weigh my bags, all five of them and then put the actual weight down whilst another delivery which is well under the 3 1/2 hour delivery span just writes in weights between 11 and 15kgs in five of the "boxes", even though that delivery never goes out with more than four bags?

No mate you ain't you are correctly following health and safety procedure.


POUCH WEIGHTS

Must be monitored and adequatelt controlled - the maximum pouch weight is 16kg first pouch, 2nd pouch must not weigh more than 16kg, 3rd pouch 12kg, 4th pouch 10kg, 5th pouch 10kg and 6th and any subsequent pouches 8kg. However, the Max Pouch weights must be reduced if walking up slopes greater than 1 in 12 to 8kg and reduced to a Max of 5kg if walking up slopes greater than 1 in 8 or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc. For young people under 18 the maximum weight of a pouch must not exceed 10kg. Cycles can only carry one pouch of 16kg max. Cycle panniers can only carry 8kg max each side. REMEMBER Follow the pouch weighing procedures and only carry one pouch at a time.
"Note: Some Areas have introduced an alternative, simplified Pouch Weight arrangement as follows: (The maximum pouch weight is 16kg first pouch and the maximum weight of all following pouches must not weigh more than 11kg and such arrangements can continue with the same monitored and adequate controls to avoid excess weight being carried).
REMEMBER/IMPORTANT: All weights are 'Maximum Weights' not 'Target Weights'. Additionally, individual capability may also need to be considered in certain cases when carrying out a Walk Risk Assessment.

If you are in the CWU you should have received the Lighten The Load CWU Safe Working on Delivery Guide issued by the Union's Health & Safety Department.

Think its changed again brother its now ;
FIRST pouch 16kg then all others 11kg

[brothermagrew]

This week's big thing in our office is the compulsory weighing of pouches.

Am I niave to weigh my bags, all five of them and then put the actual weight down whilst another delivery which is well under the 3 1/2 hour delivery span just writes in weights between 11 and 15kgs in five of the "boxes", even though that delivery never goes out with more than four bags?

No mate you ain't you are correctly following health and safety procedure.


POUCH WEIGHTS

Must be monitored and adequatelt controlled - the maximum pouch weight is 16kg first pouch, 2nd pouch must not weigh more than 16kg, 3rd pouch 12kg, 4th pouch 10kg, 5th pouch 10kg and 6th and any subsequent pouches 8kg. However, the Max Pouch weights must be reduced if walking up slopes greater than 1 in 12 to 8kg and reduced to a Max of 5kg if walking up slopes greater than 1 in 8 or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc. For young people under 18 the maximum weight of a pouch must not exceed 10kg. Cycles can only carry one pouch of 16kg max. Cycle panniers can only carry 8kg max each side. REMEMBER Follow the pouch weighing procedures and only carry one pouch at a time.
"Note: Some Areas have introduced an alternative, simplified Pouch Weight arrangement as follows: (The maximum pouch weight is 16kg first pouch and the maximum weight of all following pouches must not weigh more than 11kg and such arrangements can continue with the same monitored and adequate controls to avoid excess weight being carried).
REMEMBER/IMPORTANT: All weights are 'Maximum Weights' not 'Target Weights'. Additionally, individual capability may also need to be considered in certain cases when carrying out a Walk Risk Assessment.

If you are in the CWU you should have received the Lighten The Load CWU Safe Working on Delivery Guide issued by the Union's Health & Safety Department.

Think its changed again brother its now ;
FIRST pouch 16kg then all others 11kg

Nope not yet agreed as a National Agreement with RM and I got that info by Email from our National Health, Safety & Environment Officer by Email as I queried an LTB that had appeared on the Union website by Bob Gibsons Department on the issue of delivery pouch weights. If you re-read the above posting of mine you will note that Some Areas have introduced an alternative simplified Pouch Weight arrangement.

Having said that Dave Joyce our National Officer is looking for agreement (and has been actively discussing) with Royal Mail on this very issue (namely that all areas will change to 1st pouch 16kg and all subsequent bags 11kg). I have not yet seen any LTB issued by our health and safety National Officer that actually confirms that the change has yet been Nationally agreed with Royal Mail. Unless you have seen a posting otherwise that you could lead me to.

[k979aaa]

Ok point taken onboard (about you and you alone) but it is a damn disgrace for a fellow worker to make overweight bags on a daliy basis and what is done about it jacksh*t!. But when a injury occur's it then become's a health and safety matter and is then subject to investigation and possibile disciplinary procedures for both members, But what about the management they are informed of bad working practices and do nothing it's about time the union have unsafe working practices slips to deploy to the membership at large and take up with the individual first and then the management if things do not improve!. Nobody want's too see anybody sacked or given a warning but now with royalmail's sickness policy going into overdrive we must all ensure we do the job properly includeing makeing bag's the correct weight!.

[jemima]

Sometimes i can not believe the questions asked on this site,no fault of the poster,i'm not having a go,but f**k me!!
What is this f***ing company coming to.

Not sure if that was aimed at me but my point was more to do with the fact that this other person is fabricating the weight and adding extra pouches to make it look that his job, which he does in just over two hours is much bigger than it actually is. Surely falsifyling information like that is a one way ticket to the conduct code?

The incoming mail is weighed as it arrives. If the outgoing mail weights add up to more than comes in (as they will if your colleague falsifies his weights regularly) then your DOM should smell something fishy and he'll check everyone's bags. Is your DOM good at adding up?

[k979aaa]

Sometimes i can not believe the questions asked on this site,no fault of the poster,i'm not having a go,but f**k me!!
What is this f***ing company coming to.

Not sure if that was aimed at me but my point was more to do with the fact that this other person is fabricating the weight and adding extra pouches to make it look that his job, which he does in just over two hours is much bigger than it actually is. Surely falsifyling information like that is a one way ticket to the conduct code?

The incoming mail is weighed as it arrives. If the outgoing mail weights add up to more than comes in (as they will if your colleague falsifies his weights regularly) then your DOM should smell something fishy and he'll check everyone's bags. Is your DOM good at adding up?

To be honnest i do not think they give a SH*T all they care about is total clear office and saveing's for some do not fill in bag weights while some others falsely declaire bag weights!. I personalay have seen second bags in sack's weighing 27kg no joke i think thats the max weight you could put in one unless you fill it with lead!.

[DGP1]

Sometimes i can not believe the questions asked on this site,no fault of the poster,i'm not having a go,but f**k me!!
What is this f***ing company coming to.

Not sure if that was aimed at me but my point was more to do with the fact that this other person is fabricating the weight and adding extra pouches to make it look that his job, which he does in just over two hours is much bigger than it actually is. Surely falsifyling information like that is a one way ticket to the conduct code?

The incoming mail is weighed as it arrives. If the outgoing mail weights add up to more than comes in (as they will if your colleague falsifies his weights regularly) then your DOM should smell something fishy and he'll check everyone's bags. Is your DOM good at adding up?

To be honnest i do not think they give a SH*T all they care about is total clear office and saveing's for some do not fill in bag weights while some others falsely declaire bag weights!. I personalay have seen second bags in sack's weighing 27kg no joke i think thats the max weight you could put in one unless you fill it with lead!.

So that's only 10 Saga magazines

[k979aaa]

Sometimes i can not believe the questions asked on this site,no fault of the poster,i'm not having a go,but f**k me!!
What is this f***ing company coming to.

Not sure if that was aimed at me but my point was more to do with the fact that this other person is fabricating the weight and adding extra pouches to make it look that his job, which he does in just over two hours is much bigger than it actually is. Surely falsifyling information like that is a one way ticket to the conduct code?

The incoming mail is weighed as it arrives. If the outgoing mail weights add up to more than comes in (as they will if your colleague falsifies his weights regularly) then your DOM should smell something fishy and he'll check everyone's bags. Is your DOM good at adding up?

To be honnest i do not think they give a SH*T all they care about is total clear office and saveing's for some do not fill in bag weights while some others falsely declaire bag weights!. I personalay have seen second bags in sack's weighing 27kg no joke i think thats the max weight you could put in one unless you fill it with lead!.

So that's only 10 Saga magazines

well if you have 10 saga magazines just put 3 in a bag and nothing else the more bags the merry er or maybe not!.

[harmony]

This week's big thing in our office is the compulsory weighing of pouches.

Am I niave to weigh my bags, all five of them and then put the actual weight down whilst another delivery which is well under the 3 1/2 hour delivery span just writes in weights between 11 and 15kgs in five of the "boxes", even though that delivery never goes out with more than four bags?

No mate you ain't you are correctly following health and safety procedure.


POUCH WEIGHTS

Must be monitored and adequatelt controlled - the maximum pouch weight is 16kg first pouch, 2nd pouch must not weigh more than 16kg, 3rd pouch 12kg, 4th pouch 10kg, 5th pouch 10kg and 6th and any subsequent pouches 8kg. However, the Max Pouch weights must be reduced if walking up slopes greater than 1 in 12 to 8kg and reduced to a Max of 5kg if walking up slopes greater than 1 in 8 or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc. For young people under 18 the maximum weight of a pouch must not exceed 10kg. Cycles can only carry one pouch of 16kg max. Cycle panniers can only carry 8kg max each side. REMEMBER Follow the pouch weighing procedures and only carry one pouch at a time.
"Note: Some Areas have introduced an alternative, simplified Pouch Weight arrangement as follows: (The maximum pouch weight is 16kg first pouch and the maximum weight of all following pouches must not weigh more than 11kg and such arrangements can continue with the same monitored and adequate controls to avoid excess weight being carried).
REMEMBER/IMPORTANT: All weights are 'Maximum Weights' not 'Target Weights'. Additionally, individual capability may also need to be considered in certain cases when carrying out a Walk Risk Assessment.

If you are in the CWU you should have received the Lighten The Load CWU Safe Working on Delivery Guide issued by the Union's Health & Safety Department.

Think its changed again brother its now ;
FIRST pouch 16kg then all others 11kg

Nope not yet agreed as a National Agreement with RM and I got that info by Email from our National Health, Safety & Environment Officer by Email as I queried an LTB that had appeared on the Union website by Bob Gibsons Department on the issue of delivery pouch weights. If you re-read the above posting of mine you will note that Some Areas have introduced an alternative simplified Pouch Weight arrangement.

Having said that Dave Joyce our National Officer is looking for agreement (and has been actively discussing) with Royal Mail on this very issue (namely that all areas will change to 1st pouch 16kg and all subsequent bags 11kg). I have not yet seen any LTB issued by our health and safety National Officer that actually confirms that the change has yet been Nationally agreed with Royal Mail. Unless you have seen a posting otherwise that you could lead me to.

all i can say is what aur dum told us in a breifing on the shop floor he had a print out off the intranet

[Wiltshireboy]

Two postys in our office falsify their weights for the bags. One spreads his walk over 10 bags.Although there is only2 bundles in some of the bags. He takes his car, so its not as if he has to hump it all out on a bike , is it? He regularly has weights up in the region of 100kg, yet when I do the same walk, as a reserve on his day off, im around, 50-65kg max. How bizarre, eh?
The other guy makes his weights up too. I think he has some Freudian Inadequacy thing going on with the 1st guy. He takes 7-10 bags, yet I can get his whole walk in 5 bags, including packets. His weights are nowhwere near accurate either.
Nobody else in our office writes their weights down, because we know that these 2 are lying, and nobody checks the weights on the sheet, because they havent been picked up for it yet, so whats the point?
Going back to my brew now.

[Up Hill Down Hill]

Stopped using my trolley a while ago... It couldn't even handle 32KG

[Wiltshireboy]

Waiting on a new HCT. Might be here before I retire.........