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I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
All a ballot does is give legal protections to the employee.
Like a lot of what you're putting on here that simply isn't true.
To be lawful a ballot paper must specify the type of industrial action the members are voting for, for a work to rule or an overtime ban or anything short of a strike it has to include action short of a strike on the ballot paper.
Our ballot is a strike ballot.
It does not mention action short of a strike therefore it would be unlawful to do so.
That is rubbish
A ballot gives legitimacy to a trade dispute between the employer and the Trade Union, or is short of direct action, not the employee with a form of industrial action.
If the employee follows the directions of the trade union with action, then they will be in breach of their contract of employment. All a ballot does is protect the employee from recrimination in law from the employer for taking part in that trade dispute.
All I stated was "All a ballot does is give legal protections to the employee" for which you went totally of tangent with an issue not mentioned by myself.
All I stated was "All a ballot does is give legal protections to the employee" for which you went totally of tangent with an issue not mentioned by myself.
To be fair, boots on the ground is just one possibility with a trade dispute. You can have a work to rule as one example as an alternative. All a ballot does is give legal protections to the employee.
If you’re balloted, your voting paper must ask whether you want to take part in either (or both):
strike action
action short of a strike
The union can only call on members to take action if a majority of members who voted were in favour of that particular action. If both questions are asked on the ballot paper and members vote yes to both, the union can decide what industrial action to take
So as you can clearly see a ballot does more than give legal protection to an employee it also guides the process as to what action can be taken, there are obviously no alternatives to taking strike action in this current pay dispute because if you actually received a ballot paper you would know that it only stated strike action.
Yet again, you are fixated with the descriptors on the Ballot paper. That is irrelevant. The dispute is between the Trade Union and Employer. Not the employee.
We are the union Len.
And by we I probably shouldn't include you.
The dispute is between the Trade Union and Employer. Not the employee.
Once again you're wrong..
I'm sure you're aware of what TULR(C)A is?
https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/wo ... %20defined,)A%20s244(1)).
In order for the industrial action to be lawful it must be taken 'in contemplation or furtherance of a trade dispute'. A trade dispute is defined as 'a dispute between workers and their employer which relates wholly or mainly' to one or more of a number of specified matters (TULR(C)A s244(1)).
We are the union Len.
And by we I probably shouldn't include you.
The dispute is between the Trade Union and Employer. Not the employee.
Once again you're wrong..
I'm sure you're aware of what TULR(C)A is?
https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/wo ... %20defined,)A%20s244(1)).
In order for the industrial action to be lawful it must be taken 'in contemplation or furtherance of a trade dispute'. A trade dispute is defined as 'a dispute between workers and their employer which relates wholly or mainly' to one or more of a number of specified matters (TULR(C)A s244(1)).
I can do this all day mate.
So can I
The Trade union instigates the dispute on behalf of the employees. The employee cannot instigate a trade dispute. That is why the CWU ended up being prosecuted in the Civil Court with the last Ballot, not the employee. The employee did not have to pay court costs either, well they did with subs. The same with the legal undertakings in the Agenda for Growth between the employer and trade union, not employee.
So the simple queston being
Why the Ballot on Wednesday with terms and conditions
If Royal Mail are in breach of those legal undertakings, why does the CWU not simply commence civil action for breach of contract?
with cwu votes usually in the 90% area how can you have only 6 on strike in an office of 40.
It’s because most aren’t even in the union especially the ones who’ve started th last 2 years and we have quite a few of them.Also most are part time and have basically said they can’t afford to go on strike
Rumour is the Sphinx is buying again..
Creeping towards the threshold....
Yeah it is a rumour but at least I'm calling it that.
He increased his holding from 21% to 22% mid July.
Isn't anything he does subject to a RNS because of the notifiable threshold?
The large amount of shares suddenly being purchassed by senior management at corporate level must set alarm bell ringing with question on possible insider trading
If Royal Mail are in breach of those legal undertakings, why does the CWU not simply commence civil action for breach of contract?
Ignoring all of the other bollocks..
Put simply Royal Mail haven't done anything yet.
They are not in breach of the legal undertakings, they are just proposing certain things that may or may not be depending on legal interpretation.
And to be honest nobody is really sure how genuine many of those proposals are.
To those who say they can’t afford to strike for one day. Ask yourselves is it because you NEED the money or WANT the money. It’s 80 quid ffs. Cancel your amazon prime/netflix, you can live without it for now. Or work some overtime to compensate.
It is not as easy as simply cancelling subscription services. The majority lock you into 12/24 month contracts. Even if you leave, you still have to pay contracted subscriptions until that contract ends.
