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Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

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kevbo
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Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by kevbo »

I am currently off sick with a persistent injury caused by excessive walking at work and doubt I will ever be able to go back on delivery. I've already started looking for an alternative job. I am willing to go back to work but cannot do any prolonged walking or standing. I also need to work days due to child care commitments. My question is if I find a suitable job elsewhere am I still entitled to some form of Ill health payment due to being forced to leave because of my injury? I know RM may offer some alternative but I doubt they will find something to suit my circumstances. Local Rep said just find another job by the way so thought best ask on here.
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by redlen »

Being in deliveries, the only real option available is a transfer to the Mail Centre. But the opportunities will be probably night shifts.

You have little choice but to accept if the business finds you a position at another location as a reasonable adjustment.

If they offer another position that is reasonable and you decline then you will be considered as making yourself redundant with no entitlement to the ill health retirement severance package.

Child care commitments are sadly irrelevant with what shift is offered to keep you in the job

Saying that, transfers are like winning the lottery as a rule, so IHR might be your best option. That entitlement only remains while you are still an employee

How long have you been in the job?
kevbo
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by kevbo »

13 years service. So if I'm offered another job and accept it I won't be entitled to anything once I leave? Who makes the decision for IHR is it occupational health or line manager? Probably best not to tell them I'm looking for another job then do you think?
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by redlen »

Best not tell them you are looking for another job.

Once a scoping exercise completed by trying to find you another position, you will be referred to occupational health who decide if you meet the criteria for IHR.

It is then down to you and your manager to decide if the redundancy package is acceptable.

You can refuse to accept IHR, then the business will be backed into a corner in trying to justify that redundancy.

Case law at Employment Tribunals state for an employer with over 140,000 staff not to be able to make reasonable adjustments is simply unbelievable.

Most people take the money and run as an inducement to accept redundancy
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by Jefferson Starfish »

redlen wrote: ↑
13 Jul 2022, 13:02
If they offer another position that is reasonable and you decline then you will be considered as making yourself redundant with no entitlement to the ill health retirement severance package.
There was a chap at my office a few years ago, who went sick with stress and said he wasn't coming back and wanted a transfer to another DO.

They offered him a few different offices but he refused all of them, as they weren't one of his preferred options.

The rep at the time managed to pull a few strings along with the help of the DOM, and he got himself a IHR pay off.
kevbo
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by kevbo »

redlen wrote: ↑
13 Jul 2022, 13:51
Best not tell them you are looking for another job.

Once a scoping exercise completed by trying to find you another position, you will be referred to occupational health who decide if you meet the criteria for IHR.

It is then down to you and your manager to decide if the redundancy package is acceptable.

You can refuse to accept IHR, then the business will be backed into a corner in trying to justify that redundancy.

Case law at Employment Tribunals state for an employer with over 140,000 staff not to be able to make reasonable adjustments is simply unbelievable.

Most people take the money and run as an inducement to accept redundancy
Thanks for the advice. I think I would probably have to take IHR if offered in my position. Might be a problem when employers ask for references though but I suppose you have to make plans just in case don't you.
SpacePhoenix
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by SpacePhoenix »

redlen wrote: ↑
13 Jul 2022, 13:02
Being in deliveries, the only real option available is a transfer to the Mail Centre. But the opportunities will be probably night shifts.

You have little choice but to accept if the business finds you a position at another location as a reasonable adjustment.

If they offer another position that is reasonable and you decline then you will be considered as making yourself redundant with no entitlement to the ill health retirement severance package.

Child care commitments are sadly irrelevant with what shift is offered to keep you in the job

Saying that, transfers are like winning the lottery as a rule, so IHR might be your best option. That entitlement only remains while you are still an employee

How long have you been in the job?
Doubtful that there'll be any chance in a MC as all the "DDA slots" are likely already spoken for. You'd likely end up on packets or Tracked and apart from breaks you'll be on your feet all the time
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by PostmanPat007 »

Mail centers can also involve a lot of walking, usually the worst jobs are given to new people.

I would hate to give someone advice, no advice has ever really worked for me. But the Royal Mail do have a help line, but better still go and see a doctor. Have a blood test.
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by PostmanPat007 »

Mail centers can also involve a lot of walking, usually the worst jobs are given to new people.

I would hate to give someone advice, no advice has ever really worked for me. But the Royal Mail do have a help line, but better still go and see a doctor. Have a blood test.
97gaz
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by 97gaz »

I think you'll be hard pressed to prove that your injury was caused by excessive walking. However, you do have a persistent recurring injury. You need to try to get referred to OH. They will want to see doctors and consultants reports but if they decide that you can't do delivery anymore then they will ask the company to look for alternative duties suitable to your condition. Given there are practically none of these duties, they may offer IHR.
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by Fender59@ »

Morning, I have been offered ill health retirement am I correct in thinking I will receive 34 weeks pay plus 12 weeks severance pay thanks
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Re: Advice needed forced to leave due to injury

Post by redlen »

You need to think about this seriously

The redundancy payment might seem ok but in reality, not great. That is not a lot and will soon go. Very few opportunities out there that have the Royal Mail terms and conditions.
Remember, things like housing/council tax benefit are means tested.

If were in your position would fight for an indoor position and reasonable adjustments, but that is me.

But that is a decision for you alone to make and your own personal circumstances