Royal mail proposal's

[Kesknight]

Talking about making Sundays a normal working day is an absolute joke. Royal Mail can't even cover Monday - Saturday duties. Look how many duties are failed each day because of lack of staff. If we worked Sundays we would have to have 2 days off a week to make up for it, they would have to employ a load more staff to cover it. It would cost an absolute fortune and for what? In my office Amazon took their parcels off us about 18 months ago, our work load halved overnight. I wouldn't be viable to do Sundays.

[Dorset Plodder]

I particularly like the bit about the Two Tier Workforce .... Not!

So Union Members have worked for decades to get a SWW and gradually reduce the week by an hour a year. They've also managed to get a regular pay rise (although always with strings attached ).

Then along come RM's Bright Sparks and with one sweeping suggestion say they want New Recruits to be working a 40 hour week again, and accept a reduced hourly pay rate. But with the sweetener that they'll be an enhanced OT rate. I wouldn't piss in their mouths if their teeth were on fire! I suppose they're be relying on the usual apathy of Longer Serving Full Time Staff, to the predicament of their Newer Colleagues to sign off on this ...... Provided of course they get "Their" £200 bonus.

I been saying for years that the CWU should be pursuing an improved OT rate. RM are saying our biggest costs are our staff... No Shite Sherlock. IMO you get a pretty good deal on it considering the ammount of OT this business needs to function and the paltry OT rates that you pay. RM say they want to use Annualised hours to save money in the lighter periods. Well you already do Dickheads it's called "PRESSURE OVERTIME"! in the Light Summer I only have to book 20-60 mins PRESSURE OVERTIME .... in the Heavy Winter I book 1-2 Hours PRESSURE OVERTIME. Go Figure

[RTP]

Even the few non union members on our office are up in arms and are ready to strike. They are also looking for other jobs.

How to demotivate a workforce in one foul swoop. Well done RM.

[Dorset Plodder]

Even the few non union members on our office are up in arms and are ready to strike. They are also looking for other jobs.

How to demotivate a workforce in one foul swoop. Well done RM.

Do your Non-Union Members realise that they cannot strike IF they're not in the Union?

They've got no legal protection and RM will expect them to turn up for work. Then they'll be face the dilemma of crossing an official picket line.

[Gasman11]

If non-union members go on strike, they are protected from dismissal and have the same rights as union members, as long as the industrial action is lawful.

From www.gov.uk website.

[Dorset Plodder]

I stand corrected Gasman. Obviously been working under a misunderstanding for years .... but then I've always been in a Union. Does pose the question why you'd bother being in a Union though doesn't it?

[richietns]

Incase you personally need help with an issue.

[Marshamp11]

Right so if R M say in summer I'm only working 30hrs per week, ft, when I take a week off I've only used 30hrs leave?

Yes because they have said you will be booking per hour not per day.

Which means everyone is going to want to book all their hours off in the summer to maximise their amount of weeks off. Another headache for management to make sure everybody has equal opportunity for those allocations.

[daveyeff]

quick question for maybe ...dingo/martin walsh...woody...clash..or any other clued up rep...if RM decide to implement any of these proposed changes via executive action, this will understandably be like a red flag to a bull, and could cause wildcat strikes and walkouts all over the country. would these actions invalidate the upcoming ballot?

[timbo1234]

I joined RM 8 years ago on 25hrs pw. Now have a really good job share - week on week off. Before that I spent 33 years working with the armed force and a few other jobs in logistics. In my opinion RM have the worst managers I have ever come across. The proposals have been drawn up by senior managers who think they can be implemented by the cretins who are the day to day managers. They could not manage or organise a fxxx up in a brothel. It's difficult to insult them because they don't understand that they're being insulted. They could introduce these proposals tomorrow but they won't ever be implemented. The managers simply do not have enough brains to know how to turn an idea into a plan and then implement it. By striking the workforce might focus senior management on what is really wrong with RM. It is totally lacking in planning , resource management, motivation and morale. The RM offices I have worked at would collapse without the knowledge and cooperation of the posties. I have had my working career but I feel real empathy for those who want to stay in the job or who want to be a postie. I will support strike action not just for a bigger pay rise but to back my mates. Right there endeth my sermon for what it's worth.

[SpacePhoenix]

They could introduce these proposals tomorrow but they won't ever be implemented. The managers simply do not have enough brains to know how to turn an idea into a plan and then implement it.

The later starts one would be triggered by RM axing most of Skynet. All managers would have no choice but to make all shifts start 2-3 hours later

[daveyeff]

Axing skynet would mean......"the rise of the machines"...

[pieoftheday]

They could introduce these proposals tomorrow but they won't ever be implemented. The managers simply do not have enough brains to know how to turn an idea into a plan and then implement it.

The later starts one would be triggered by RM axing most of Skynet. All managers would have no choice but to make all shifts start 2-3 hours later
We would need double the vans if delivery duties started at 11am

[Clappedoutpostie]

They know they would never get it all pushed through - its just part of their negotiating tactic

What they are really after this time is imo

1. Avoiding having to give a pay rise anywhere near inflation
2. Sunday being added to duty structures
3. Allowances gone ( NOT delivery supplement before anyone says it )
4. Adjustment to the sick policy ( more likely to be a change to threshold of stages rather than whats being proposed )


I think the rest is added so they can take them away for the sake of 'conceding' some things and frighten enough of us into thinking just the above is better than it could have been

I expect this dispute to result in a pretty substandard payrise ( but more than 2% ) the other three being implemented in some form

Afew months ago I would have totally agreed but this time I am not so sure. We now certainly know what the flight path is towards though. I expect we will have a summer of strikes and Thompson will be gone before peak.

[wazer]

Our office does 4 on 4 off system, so how would strike action effect us Because the first thing I'll hear its not fair its there long weekend off 5days etc.