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From the Workplace live re: Annualised hrs
Will post up the script when I get time.
It's long-But worth a watch!

So I'll talk predominantly about delivery where I work. But the ideas would apply more widely across the pipeline, nearly flexible hours is a proposal which is trying to match the core hours that we work up and down over the year to better reflect the way that workload varies across the seasons. That I think we'd all recognize. You mentioned about annualized hours. So the difference with the proposal that we're making annualized hours, your hours might fluctuate, and your pay would fluctuate with those hours, what we're proposing is that you would have different hours according to the workload demand through the year, but we'd maintain a consistent level of pay across the 52 weeks of the year for your basic pay. So I think that's an important thing to understand.

I think we all understand that workload varies and clearly, in the summer, the workloads lighter, and Christmas in the heat the workloads heavier. And a flexi our system would enable us to compete with other players in the market, what our competitors tend to do is they might have a zero hours contract or a payment or parcel or payment with a stock model. And what that means is that they adapt perfectly with variations in volume through the year.

To repeat what Grant said, we're not wanting to become a gig economy player. So what we're trying to do is find a way in which we can have an employed workforce on better than market terms, but still be flexible and adaptable, so that we're efficient and cost efficient. And we're able to give customers parcels at competitive prices.

So if I go a little bit into how, and as I say this will be focused upon delivery for now,

The idea was a that we worked shorter hours on our four routes, in the lighter periods, so in the summer, and longer in the peak periods in the autumn in the run up towards Christmas. So over the year, you'd be working the same basic hours as you do now. But instead of those being flat across the year, they would adapt probably into three blocks. And during those three blocks, your weekly hours will be adjusted into a low average and a high amount of hours

As a guideline that might vary between something like 32 hours in a light period, might go up to around 44 hours a week. But what we'd want to do is to reflect the changes in workload between those different between those different periods. So we understand that, you know, this has implications for people in terms of how you organize your life, we're not talking about a complete free for all in terms of attendance, we're still talking about scheduled days of attendance. And with the varying the hours that you perform over the week, we'd be looking to give you notice, and then as an indication of that, it might be four to 10 weeks notice of the schedules. So hopefully, that'll give you some reassurance that there'd be an ability to plan for your forthcoming attendances.

Something that's important to cover off is that we're looking to enhance the commit to deliver principle, whereby if you're allocated some work for a route on a day, we would want that work to be completed. So if we look at our competitors, they wouldn't cut off and return to the Depo. With some work outstanding. What we're looking for within the really flexible hours approach is to have that ability to flex on the day outside of those scheduled hours. So that if there are variations from day to day, we complete that work. And if we go over the scheduled time, we bank those hours. And if we're under the schedule time, likewise, we can bank those hours and we've looked to make the payments between the business and the employee over a period whereby ours can be paid back at a later time.

So one concern people might have is that we're trying to raise overtime and there would absolutely still be an opportunity to have overtime where this is required over and above the core work levels. So an example of that might be to cover absence or that type of thing working on days off that type of

Coverage and overtime that you do now. So the Flexi hours are really trying to iron out the variations from day to day on core routes. So that over the year from


Making use of every paid for hour.

So hopefully you can see from this, we're trying to be flexible, we're trying to be agile. We're trying to compete against other parcel operators.

But try and do it in our own way, which offers the best in the market terms and conditions. So what we're also trying to do with this is to reduce our dependency on lapsing into production. So with the shorter attendances, like periods and longer attendances at heavy periods, there should be more stability of the route that you're expected to cover. And the shorter long hours, we'll have that for the time that's going to take on a given day. So at the moment where we try to use lapsing and absorptions do that. Obviously, that means picking up paths or someone else's route and there's a time taken to get to perform that piece of work. So one aspect of this proposal is that we shouldn't lead so much lapsing and absorption and that might be something that people welcome. So that's the summary again
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Post by bowie »

Vote yes one out all out
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Post by mjd24 »

What will they do if you do cut off? Say its reached 5/6pm and you’ve reached physical/mental breaking point and you cant face delivering another letter/parcel? Im not sure there would be any real consequences.
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Post by citypostie »

Don't take it all out then
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Won’t come in vote yes one out all out
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Post by worktotime »

that will never be agreed so dont worry about it :thumbup
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If you’ve left stuff in and realise you’re gone finish early
the passenger can do a loop while driver goes back to get some parcels you left in
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worktotime wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:16
that will never be agreed so dont worry about it :thumbup
The 2% pay increase was not agreed. Just a thought.
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qwerty2 wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:21
If you’ve left stuff in and realise you’re gone finish early
the passenger can do a loop while driver goes back to get some parcels you left in
You won’t leave anything at the office because you can’t finish early because you will not have a finish time. You take it all and finish when you have cleared everything.
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Post by worktotime »

Zicomurphy wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:25
worktotime wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:16
that will never be agreed so dont worry about it :thumbup
The 2% pay increase was not agreed. Just a thought.
well then that would be more i/a then . as the 2% pay farce .
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Zicomurphy wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:29
qwerty2 wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:21
If you’ve left stuff in and realise you’re gone finish early
the passenger can do a loop while driver goes back to get some parcels you left in
You won’t leave anything at the office because you can’t finish early because you will not have a finish time. You take it all and finish when you have cleared everything.
Yup, as I said when they first announced this it's a move to making deliveries a salaried position; you have your work to do, and you do it no matter how many hours it takes.

No cut offs, no overtime - you have your job and you do it, whether it takes 5 hours or 10 hours.

And you'd better believe they'll be watching everyone like a hawk as well - they want you banking hours in summer, so they'll be monitoring constantly for any slacking off or working slow.
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Post by RTP »

Be interesting to see if this proposal is ripe for wilfull delay of mail, because it sounds very much to be the case.
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Post by norris9 »

Sounds draconian.


Do they not realise they get free work from all those who start early and don't take their breaks. Royal Mail are already in a very good position in terms of saving money as there are so many Posties working for free.

They risk messing that up as these rules they want to bring in could actually stop all this free work from happening. Posties will get fed up and could stop working through their breaks / coming in early.

Also, no hours will be banked based on how long my round is taking this Summer as I'd be going over time if I had to take it all out.... I'll be asking for time back in Winter.
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RTP wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:47
Be interesting to see if this proposal is ripe for wilfull delay of mail, because it sounds very much to be the case.
Sounds like it's ripe for a militarily run business who pay you a pittance and want you to stick by strict rules.... Sounds like it's ripe for a mass exodus of workers and anyone new will be like 'screw this - I'm out'.... they won't have the staff they need.

So they need to come back down to earth. Treat us with respect. Give us a fair pay deal..... otherwise we're off. Plenty of other work out there for the same pay where you don't get treated like dirt whilst going home exhausted that your afternoon involves lying on the sofa in pain.
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Post by SMS1969 »

Minischoles wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:38
Zicomurphy wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:29
qwerty2 wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:21
If you’ve left stuff in and realise you’re gone finish early
the passenger can do a loop while driver goes back to get some parcels you left in
You won’t leave anything at the office because you can’t finish early because you will not have a finish time. You take it all and finish when you have cleared everything.
Yup, as I said when they first announced this it's a move to making deliveries a salaried position; you have your work to do, and you do it no matter how many hours it takes.

No cut offs, no overtime - you have your job and you do it, whether it takes 5 hours or 10 hours.

And you'd better believe they'll be watching everyone like a hawk as well - they want you banking hours in summer, so they'll be monitoring constantly for any slacking off or working slow.
It’ll be a total turnaround, managers in charge and telling you how long it’s expected to take.No cutting off. And they’ll be delighted to tell those who they feel are deliberately slow and cut off at the moment. Anyone who thinks this won’t happen is kidding themselves.Lots if arguments ahead.