Pay increase imposed without agreement?

[wazer]

To manage this you would need clocking in /out data.Not written on a bit of paper (so 50s).Weekly walk data for every single postie.My last place tried this banked hrs ,but if they had not give u the time to work them back there were written off within 3 months...Soon went...

[Acca Dacca]

Always knew this day would come, little smiley I love all the working class posties Simon Thompson has fully unmasked and shock horror he’s a millionaire predator just like every other ceo in the history of humanity.
Putting aside the fact 2% is nowhere near enough, he isn’t using executive action out of the goodness of his heart to gift us the payrise. This is a trial run and in a few weeks/months time these mental changes will be forced through and Terry pullingers only response will be to scream down a camera on the Cwus Facebook page. Anyone thinking strike action will help us might be sadly mistaken I’m afraid. You can guarantee Royal Mail already have a solid case ready to go in court to scrap our ballot. The Cwu won’t realise until it’s too late.

So what is YOUR solution then?

[Whinealot]

And again the lie about 5.5% this year is repeated

Simon I'll make this simple, 1.5% is from the date of the changes but the financial year started on 1 April. It cannot be backdated, so that part of the offer cannot apply to whole year.

After the bollocks you sold to the markets and now this blatant lie, you really need to try harder with your lies.

Good! I’m glad I’m not alone in seeing the 5.5% figure quoted by Super Si as a misleading pile of S**t it’s 1.5% on changes agreed and a £500 productivity bonus not a further 2% on wages. As per LTB yesterday.

[toonshola]

Always knew this day would come, little smiley I love all the working class posties Simon Thompson has fully unmasked and shock horror he’s a millionaire predator just like every other ceo in the history of humanity.
Putting aside the fact 2% is nowhere near enough, he isn’t using executive action out of the goodness of his heart to gift us the payrise. This is a trial run and in a few weeks/months time these mental changes will be forced through and Terry pullingers only response will be to scream down a camera on the Cwus Facebook page. Anyone thinking strike action will help us might be sadly mistaken I’m afraid. You can guarantee Royal Mail already have a solid case ready to go in court to scrap our ballot. The Cwu won’t realise until it’s too late.

So what is YOUR solution then?

To go back in time to about 18 months ago and shake Terry until he realises Simon isn’t his best pal and that the agreement he has negotiated isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. All too late now I fear.

[norris9]

They could just pay us contractually up to 1.30pm daily and anytime worked over that is recorded on a clock out system.

But then there are problems with this also. It would at least be a more accurate way of paying us for the hours we work. Whether that benefits them financially or not - who knows. As although sometimes we get to go home early, sometimes we do not book overtime that we should. So is it just a case of swings and roundabouts.

[2yearpostie]

They could just pay us contractually up to 1.30pm daily and anytime worked over that is recorded on a clock out system.

But then there are problems with this also. It would at least be a more accurate way of paying us for the hours we work. Whether that benefits them financially or not - who knows. As although sometimes we get to go home early, sometimes we do not book overtime that we should. So is it just a case of swings and roundabouts.

Its just a return to job and knock really aint it.
The only downside is how much work they actually send you.

[Woody Guthrie]

Its just a return to job and knock really aint it.
The only downside is how much work they actually send you.

It's really not.
The knock isn't yours now, it goes in the bank.
The proposals are pretty clear, it's a credit and debit scheme so what do you think is going to happen if they get to the end of a "reference period" and you still owe them hours?

Will they just right it off?
Will they roll it over?
Or more likely will you have to work it off?
Work a couple of days off for free?

[2yearpostie]

Its just a return to job and knock really aint it.
The only downside is how much work they actually send you.

It's really not.
The knock isn't yours now, it goes in the bank.
The proposals are pretty clear, it's a credit and debit scheme so what do you think is going to happen if they get to the end of a "reference period" and you still owe them hours?

Will they just right it off?
Will they roll it over?
Or more likely will you have to work it off?
Work a couple of days off for free?

No because you just divide your contracted hours over the week and make sure it adds up at the end. Eg 25 hour contract, 4 hours mon/tue,6 hours weds/thurs, 5 hours fri sat, you owe them nowt, they owe you nowt, repeat each week of the year.

[fb1969]

That isn't what they want to happen

What they want in a 25 hour contract would average at at say 4 hours a day, so at the end of the week you "owe" 5 hours for them to use at Christmas. If you work over 4 hours then tough, you won't be paid for it

[HTPostman]

Its just a return to job and knock really aint it.
The only downside is how much work they actually send you.

It's really not.
The knock isn't yours now, it goes in the bank.
The proposals are pretty clear, it's a credit and debit scheme so what do you think is going to happen if they get to the end of a "reference period" and you still owe them hours?

Will they just right it off?
Will they roll it over?
Or more likely will you have to work it off?
Work a couple of days off for free?

No because you just divide your contracted hours over the week and make sure it adds up at the end. Eg 25 hour contract, 4 hours mon/tue,6 hours weds/thurs, 5 hours fri sat, you owe them nowt, they owe you nowt, repeat each week of the year.

Apart from you (and me) won’t be dividing anything. There will be a directive from above which your COM will follow - eg for the next month, 25 hour contracts have a finish time of an hour earlier than currently. That’s 5 hours a week banked by RM.

You can stay to your usual finish time all you want, if the hours they give you are 9am until 1pm for your 5 days a week, it doesn’t matter if you choose to work until 2pm. It’s a bit like the idiots who come in early for free, only in reverse and you’d be working later for free out of the goodness of your heart.

[HTPostman]

Anyone thinking strike action will help us might be sadly mistaken I’m afraid. You can guarantee Royal Mail already have a solid case ready to go in court to scrap our ballot. The Cwu won’t realise until it’s too late.

The pictures the union have posted of meetings inside depots and offices has made me uneasy since they started posting them a month or so ago. I have a feeling that will come back to bite us on the bum. By all means photos of gate meetings but photos inside depots just seems silly - I can’t find the document but I’m sure there is one that says no photos/filming inside RM property.

[2yearpostie]

Its just a return to job and knock really aint it.
The only downside is how much work they actually send you.

It's really not.
The knock isn't yours now, it goes in the bank.
The proposals are pretty clear, it's a credit and debit scheme so what do you think is going to happen if they get to the end of a "reference period" and you still owe them hours?

Will they just right it off?
Will they roll it over?
Or more likely will you have to work it off?
Work a couple of days off for free?

No because you just divide your contracted hours over the week and make sure it adds up at the end. Eg 25 hour contract, 4 hours mon/tue,6 hours weds/thurs, 5 hours fri sat, you owe them nowt, they owe you nowt, repeat each week of the year.

Apart from you (and me) won’t be dividing anything. There will be a directive from above which your COM will follow - eg for the next month, 25 hour contracts have a finish time of an hour earlier than currently. That’s 5 hours a week banked by RM.

You can stay to your usual finish time all you want, if the hours they give you are 9am until 1pm for your 5 days a week, it doesn’t matter if you choose to work until 2pm. It’s a bit like the idiots who come in early for free, only in reverse and you’d be working later for free out of the goodness of your heart.

Then you just cut off as it wasnt possible to complete giving them a problem in summer instead

[arsenalbob]

I’m assuming the average London weighting payment will apply to new recruits only

[citypostie]

I’m assuming the average London weighting payment will apply to new recruits only

Don't think so, I bet new recruits won't get any payment along with the 40 hour week, Sundays , no sick pay for 12 months and being made to sign a contract to die on delivery if needed

[matrix123]

does anyone know when the overtime payments from the payrise is due?