Changing Sunday working from voluntary to compulsory would require a variation of contract for the vast majority of us. Royal Mail cannot just tell you to suck it up.
That variation can be done with or without agreement but doing it without agreement is legally very dangerous and could easily result in constructive dismissal.
Obviously as we've all seen with P&O it's possible to terminate an employee’s contract and re-employ on new terms and conditions but this is a nuclear option and wouldn't be practical in our case.
The only way they are getting this through is through an agreement with the union but personally I believe it is so toxic for both sides it'll never happen.
Its already happening with the new starters so it wont take a lot to get us all under the same terms. I honestly believe they are going to try and change the rotas into 4 on 4 off which will suit most people, especially with child care.
What I think they will find trickier is the later starts as most part time staff would have child care issues and would end up having to leave if they were out after 3pm.
I honestly believe they are going to try and change the rotas into 4 on 4 off which will suit most people, especially with child care
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The problem with 4 on 4 off is that it would need to involve longer days and considerably longer delivery spans which would not suit most people, especially with childcare.
It would also obviously impact on any attempt to move start times.
I do agree though that they'll try to sweeten the deal with some kind of innovative attendance patterns but the problem with that is a) the most "militant" areas already have these and b) the rest of the country has already been shafted over promises about these.
It will get voted in or out by DO staff as there's way more delivery staff than MC staff.
You're assuming that all DO staff will vote the deal down, but given the carrots that would be dangled that's far from a given.
Given the union is apparently committed to a no strings pay deal and the business is claiming that everything has to be paid for it's not really clear what those carrots could or would be.
If we assume that the union will stick to its position on pay (I know a big assumption) a change in attendance patterns is a mixed bag of pros and cons that won't unite the members behind a deal.
What you could do to introduce Sunday working is offer Saturday as the carrot.
Working every Sunday gets you every Saturday off.
I would imagine that would achieve their 25% target.
The staffing required Saturday night (MCs and Sundays (DOs) is going to basically depend on volumes coming in. I'd imagine RM are probably consulting if they've not already done so all the big customers to get an idea of potential volumes of mail, and therefore a rough idea of staffing requirements.
Don't know if Sundays will eventually be classed as a delivery day for the DTS stuff so potentially there could be many letters some Sundays, as iirc the DTS stuff only gets held back a maximum of 5 days before it gets batched, sequence/walk sorted and sent on to the DOs
The staffing required Saturday night (MCs and Sundays (DOs) is going to basically depend on volumes coming in. I'd imagine RM are probably consulting if they've not already done so all the big customers to get an idea of potential volumes of mail, and therefore a rough idea of staffing requirements.
Don't know if Sundays will eventually be classed as a delivery day for the DTS stuff so potentially there could be many letters some Sundays, as iirc the DTS stuff only gets held back a maximum of 5 days before it gets batched, sequence/walk sorted and sent on to the DOs
There’s a brief just been put out by the CWU about hours/job losses in MC’s when the NW hub starts up. I would imagine RM will have all the Sunday stuff processed by these machines then just cross dock it in the mail centres.
It looks like RM are embracing ESG , Environmental Social Governance. Moving us towrads a corporate globalist takeover.
Businesses who are seen to be woke and promote the agenda will benefit, and Businesses who don't will be punished into compliance or put out of business.
There are hours of video you can watch from The WEF Davos meeting which was held a few weeks ago, where they discuss this and everything else they want to introduce.
They know they can't get all governments to do what they want, but they can get corporations to do it.
Fun times ahead
100%
People need to get real.
Serious players are circling.
Later starts and Sunday working WILL happen - it's just a case of when. RM know only too well how gullible a lot of the workforce are.....dangle some cash on the front page and from previous experience they know it will be snapped up without looking at what they want in return on the back page.
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It looks like RM are embracing ESG , Environmental Social Governance. Moving us towrads a corporate globalist takeover.
Businesses who are seen to be woke and promote the agenda will benefit, and Businesses who don't will be punished into compliance or put out of business.
There are hours of video you can watch from The WEF Davos meeting which was held a few weeks ago, where they discuss this and everything else they want to introduce.
They know they can't get all governments to do what they want, but they can get corporations to do it.
Fun times ahead
100%
People need to get real.
Serious players are circling.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
There’s a brief just been put out by the CWU about hours/job losses in MC’s when the NW hub starts up. I would imagine RM will have all the Sunday stuff processed by these machines then just cross dock it in the mail centres.
The NW hub is already online and we're already getting sleeves of Tracked from it. It can't be cross docked as it still needs to be sorted. All the hub seem to do is break it down into Primary and Secondary sort. I'd imagine that only the very biggest DOs will get direct selections from the hub.
I can't see how it saves any hours at the outward MC for Tracked as that still has to be scanned and unless they;re going to send stuff from hub to hub you're still going to need at least a Primary sort on outward dispatches
There’s a brief just been put out by the CWU about hours/job losses in MC’s when the NW hub starts up. I would imagine RM will have all the Sunday stuff processed by these machines then just cross dock it in the mail centres.
The NW hub is already online and we're already getting sleeves of Tracked from it. It can't be cross docked as it still needs to be sorted. All the hub seem to do is break it down into Primary and Secondary sort. I'd imagine that only the very biggest DOs will get direct selections from the hub.
I can't see how it saves any hours at the outward MC for Tracked as that still has to be scanned and unless they;re going to send stuff from hub to hub you're still going to need at least a Primary sort on outward dispatches
Weve heard that the mc is going to scan all the tracked parcels for each DO and label it, then when it gets to the DO we only have to scan 1 york instead of each tracked package. What you hears SP?
It's actually the opposite.
The plan is to end the ready for delivery scan at the primary sort in the DO and move that to the individual duty prep so as you sort your parcels for delivery you'll scan all the tracked yourself.
It's being trialed at the moment at 6 offices in and around Warrington I think.
It's called Scan to route on prep of Delivery.
If that gets rolled out obviously there's no longer any need for an MC to segregate tracked from normal parcels and probably at some point someone will argue no real point in an MC scan at all.
There’s a brief just been put out by the CWU about hours/job losses in MC’s when the NW hub starts up. I would imagine RM will have all the Sunday stuff processed by these machines then just cross dock it in the mail centres.
The NW hub is already online and we're already getting sleeves of Tracked from it. It can't be cross docked as it still needs to be sorted. All the hub seem to do is break it down into Primary and Secondary sort. I'd imagine that only the very biggest DOs will get direct selections from the hub.
I can't see how it saves any hours at the outward MC for Tracked as that still has to be scanned and unless they;re going to send stuff from hub to hub you're still going to need at least a Primary sort on outward dispatches
Well the union brief put out details which MC’s are losing which hours. South Mids seems to be the worst effected.
There’s a brief just been put out by the CWU about hours/job losses in MC’s when the NW hub starts up. I would imagine RM will have all the Sunday stuff processed by these machines then just cross dock it in the mail centres.
The NW hub is already online and we're already getting sleeves of Tracked from it. It can't be cross docked as it still needs to be sorted. All the hub seem to do is break it down into Primary and Secondary sort. I'd imagine that only the very biggest DOs will get direct selections from the hub.
I can't see how it saves any hours at the outward MC for Tracked as that still has to be scanned and unless they;re going to send stuff from hub to hub you're still going to need at least a Primary sort on outward dispatches
Weve heard that the mc is going to scan all the tracked parcels for each DO and label it, then when it gets to the DO we only have to scan 1 york instead of each tracked package. What you hears SP?
When the Tracked arrives it goes to the Primary Sort where they all get scanned. For the primary selections (busiest offices), the items get sorted to the relevant sleeves which go off to the relevant DOs. Secondary sort items go into a sleeve and then over to the secondary sort.
Eventually for sleeves from the hubs we'll just scan the sleeve. Can't see how it can be viable for scanning to DOs as not all Tracked have got 2D barcodes (or 2D barcodes that work). The PDA software as it is doesn't have an option to scan to office and I don't think we'd have the time to scan to offices as it'd make the sorting of the Tracked take much longer.
It's actually the opposite.
The plan is to end the ready for delivery scan at the primary sort in the DO and move that to the individual duty prep so as you sort your parcels for delivery you'll scan all the tracked yourself.
For the recipients it's good as in theory only Tracked that has got a chance of being delivered will be scanned as ready for delivery.
If that gets rolled out obviously there's no longer any need for an MC to segregate tracked from normal parcels and probably at some point someone will argue no real point in an MC scan at all.
There'll still be a need for MCs to scan the Tracked as otherwise if something goes missing it could be anywhere between the outward MC and the DO. Scanning everything at once as a container doesn't prove that the items have actually arrived at an office, just that a sleeve filled with mail has arrived
