RMCtv : Nick 'Never in a month of' Landon : We probably need 25% of the team to cover a Sunday

[Cucumber]

People have been jumping on and off driving for decades depending on which way the wind blows. Removal of driving allowances accelerated that.
I just don't see someone with 20/30/40 years service getting sent to work elsewhere, unless it becomes unconditional that everyone needs to drive.

[daveyeff]

well there is plenty of non-drivers in our office who don't drive because they cant (including me) so we will be excluded from the equation.

[SpacePhoenix]

It's a mailcentre thing.

As has been pointed out to SP many times you can't just add an hour's work to a duty based on an individual's performance or finishing time because the duty and the individual are two separate things.

You might send the guy out with more work if he keeps coming back early if there's work available but again that's the individual not the duty and as most managers are aware if that becomes a regular occurance the guy is just going to slow down unless he's really stupid.

Do you really think that the DOM's boss will care? All they'll see is someone finishing early and will likely say to the DOM, give that person more work or we take hours out of the office

[fb1969]

What's a DOM?

[Woody Guthrie]

Do you really think that the DOM's boss will care? All they'll see is someone finishing early and will likely say to the DOM, give that person more work or we take hours out of the office

Not this again.

First of all there are no DOMs, secondly OPS Managers or whatever they're calling themselves now are not in the slightest bit interested in what time individual members are finishing, thirdly you can't take hours out of an office based on what time an individual is finishing, resourcing doesn't work like that, fourthly you've been told all this before and just ignore it, fifthly why do I f***ing bother.

The tools drive the resourcing (indoor and outdoor), not the ones paid to stare at the tools.

How long have we had PDA actuals now?
I'm still waiting on those "higher ups" of yours getting on the phone demanding Frank's duty be made bigger cause he's finishing early. They must be busy in another office.

[SpacePhoenix]

Do you really think that the DOM's boss will care? All they'll see is someone finishing early and will likely say to the DOM, give that person more work or we take hours out of the office

Not this again.

First of all there are no DOMs, secondly OPS Managers or whatever they're calling themselves now are not in the slightest bit interested in what time individual members are finishing, thirdly you can't take hours out of an office based on what time an individual is finishing, resourcing doesn't work like that, fourthly you've been told all this before and just ignore it, fifthly why do I f***ing bother.

The tools drive the resourcing (indoor and outdoor), not the ones paid to stare at the tools.

How long have we had PDA actuals now?
I'm still waiting on those "higher ups" of yours getting on the phone demanding Frank's duty be made bigger cause he's finishing early. They must be busy in another office.

Higher up don't care, all they'll be interested in is cutting hours wherever they can

[Woody Guthrie]

Higher up don't care, all they'll be interested in is cutting hours wherever they can

When SP?
When is this going to happen because I'm getting older by the day here?

In all the discussions I've had with OPS managers they've never brought up cutting hours on the basis of finishing times once. Indoor hours constantly, overtime constantly, budget and WIPWH almost religiously but finishing times no.

For the very very last time you can't add to a duty because Mick can finish it half an hour earlier than Joe because if Joe goes on it the duty will be half an hour too long.

That is surely pretty easy to comprehend isn't it?

[Woody Guthrie]

What managers in delivery offices are really interested in is your first letter time not your last letter time but I can't be arsed explaining why SP.

[postslippete]

It will be down to the COMs whether to give the OPs who's finishing early more work to do or not to take them up to their time. In the past this has always lead to angry exchanges and issues


From what I've seen they just can't be bothered with all the trouble

And why should they? If the office is clear and they've taken their quadruple lapse, why the feck are they doing anymore work anyway?

[SpacePhoenix]

Higher up don't care, all they'll be interested in is cutting hours wherever they can

When SP?
When is this going to happen because I'm getting older by the day here?

In all the discussions I've had with OPS managers they've never brought up cutting hours on the basis of finishing times once. Indoor hours constantly, overtime constantly, budget and WIPWH almost religiously but finishing times no.

For the very very last time you can't add to a duty because Mick can finish it half an hour earlier than Joe because if Joe goes on it the duty will be half an hour too long.

That is surely pretty easy to comprehend isn't it?

Job and knock went years ago. It's a new management structure, so anything the OPS managers have said before now doesn't count for anything. The COMs cover multiple offices so if one of their offices needs hours, they're going to be looking at what hours they can take from their other offices

Get your head out of the sand! There's potentially a big fine coming up for RM so they're bound to be looking at the hours each office is using.

RM can add what they like to any duty

[Woody Guthrie]

Job and knock went years ago

No it didn't.

The COMs cover multiple offices

No they don't.

RM can add what they like to any duty

No they can't.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[SpacePhoenix]

Job and knock went years ago

No it didn't.

Pay & Mod agreement

The COMs cover multiple offices

No they don't.

Sure I read it somewhere in a thread

RM can add what they like to any duty

No they can't.

Yes they can. Everyone's 318 has "or as directed on it" They can have you do anything that you're trained up for.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

You're the one coming out with the bullshit

[clashcityrocker]

Children it is too early for squabbling.

Job and knock was supposed to be done away with, however the reality on the ground varies from office to office.
In theory people shouldn't be allowed to leave early while there is undelivered mail in the office.

Some COMs do indeed cover 2 locations where one of those offices is a very small unit.
I know of one - whether it will actually work is questionable.

[SpacePhoenix]

Some COMs do indeed cover 2 locations where one of those offices is a very small unit.
I know of one - whether it will actually work is questionable.

Once everyone is out on delivery then surely one COM could cover a dozen offices. The paperwork must be fairly standardised across all DOs and much of it will be on computer anyway. If RM ever were to bring in Team Leaders then they'd save a massive amount of money. The Team leaders could be on a normal posties pay + the leadership allowance and then one COM could cover a dozen offices

[Woody Guthrie]

In theory people shouldn't be allowed to leave early while there is undelivered mail in the office.

That's the problem though.
You can't plan to have undelivered mail in the office in the hope someone comes back early to deliver it.
So job and finish never really went away.

The reality was "Working your paid hours" in P&M2007 was never even intended to remove job and finish, it was supposed to stop ghost overtime.

It failed on that count as well.