Race to the bottom?

[jessicarabbit]

My local office is advertising full time jobs (albeit 35hrs) The problem is they are advertising them as Wed-Sun fixed Mon and Tues off. This is basically because we are a big hub office and cannot get postie volunteers to resource Sunday we traditionally have 6-8 agency guys in 3-4 from other offices and sometimes 1 or 2 of our own docket kings who didn't pick up much that week.

The business is doing this already and we have allowed to happen how can we complain and make a fuss about 'pulling up the ladder' on the new staff when they are already coming in on inferior T&C's add to this the lack of sick pay for the first 12 months this doesn't feel like a battle we can win so I wonder why it is added to the strings dispute? Also a large proportion of our MC colleagues presumably already work very unsocial weekend hours.

Spin and counter spin I guess.

Thoughts on a postcard to.....

[daveyeff]

does the union know? and if so what is being done about it?

[wallan]

Are existing PT Staff not interested in these Jobs

[jessicarabbit]

All our PTers work 3 day weeks to cover the days off of the FTers. The ones that want extra tend to work their Thurs and Fridays off. No one in our office wants to be contracted to work every Saturday and Sunday. Compulsory Sundays is my red line although I'm 30 years in and would like to do another 12-15 years to make sure I have max pension options at 65. But I will not give up the only day off I can spend with my family. They can try to annualise my hours but I will make sure I fill my day every day so that I don't ever owe them any thing.
Hard to see how the dispute can end unless the current board get removed due to long term share price damage. It's going to be a long summer

[TopperGas]

All our PTers work 3 day weeks to cover the days off of the FTers. The ones that want extra tend to work their Thurs and Fridays off. No one in our office wants to be contracted to work every Saturday and Sunday. Compulsory Sundays is my red line although I'm 30 years in and would like to do another 12-15 years to make sure I have max pension options at 65. But I will not give up the only day off I can spend with my family. They can try to annualise my hours but I will make sure I fill my day every day so that I don't ever owe them any thing.
Hard to see how the dispute can end unless the current board get removed due to long term share price damage. It's going to be a long summer

I doubt that'll work if our hours are annualised as the managers will most likely say each morning to their OPG's "you've X hours to complete your round today" and if you don't complete within that time then they'll want an explanation why you want over. With managers themselves under pressure to save X amount of hours per week in the summer months. Welcome to the new world of micro management.

[TopperGas]

My local office is advertising full time jobs (albeit 35hrs) The problem is they are advertising them as Wed-Sun fixed Mon and Tues off. This is basically because we are a big hub office and cannot get postie volunteers to resource Sunday we traditionally have 6-8 agency guys in 3-4 from other offices and sometimes 1 or 2 of our own docket kings who didn't pick up much that week.

The business is doing this already and we have allowed to happen how can we complain and make a fuss about 'pulling up the ladder' on the new staff when they are already coming in on inferior T&C's add to this the lack of sick pay for the first 12 months this doesn't feel like a battle we can win so I wonder why it is added to the strings dispute? Also a large proportion of our MC colleagues presumably already work very unsocial weekend hours.

Spin and counter spin I guess.

Thoughts on a postcard to.....

It's hardly inferior terms just OPG's contracted for different days of the week, I assume they'll still get the Sunday supplement? Contracts based on working Sunday's have been advertised by RM already for over a year, we've got 3 OPG's in our DO who have such contracts, two of them previously PT OPG's who were quite willing to move to a FT contract inc Sunday.

[theotherone]

All our PTers work 3 day weeks to cover the days off of the FTers. The ones that want extra tend to work their Thurs and Fridays off. No one in our office wants to be contracted to work every Saturday and Sunday. Compulsory Sundays is my red line although I'm 30 years in and would like to do another 12-15 years to make sure I have max pension options at 65. But I will not give up the only day off I can spend with my family. They can try to annualise my hours but I will make sure I fill my day every day so that I don't ever owe them any thing.
Hard to see how the dispute can end unless the current board get removed due to long term share price damage. It's going to be a long summer

I doubt that'll work if our hours are annualised as the managers will most likely say each morning to their OPG's "you've X hours to complete your round today" and if you don't complete within that time then they'll want an explanation why you want over. With managers themselves under pressure to save X amount of hours per week in the summer months. Welcome to the new world of micro management.

The whole point of the management changes is to stop "so called micro management" of course it's all bollox.

[Schiff]

My local office is advertising full time jobs (albeit 35hrs) The problem is they are advertising them as Wed-Sun fixed Mon and Tues off. This is basically because we are a big hub office and cannot get postie volunteers to resource Sunday we traditionally have 6-8 agency guys in 3-4 from other offices and sometimes 1 or 2 of our own docket kings who didn't pick up much that week.

The business is doing this already and we have allowed to happen how can we complain and make a fuss about 'pulling up the ladder' on the new staff when they are already coming in on inferior T&C's add to this the lack of sick pay for the first 12 months this doesn't feel like a battle we can win so I wonder why it is added to the strings dispute? Also a large proportion of our MC colleagues presumably already work very unsocial weekend hours.

Spin and counter spin I guess.

Thoughts on a postcard to.....

It's hardly inferior terms just OPG's contracted for different days of the week, I assume they'll still get the Sunday supplement? Contracts based on working Sunday's have been advertised by RM already for over a year, we've got 3 OPG's in our DO who have such contracts, two of them previously PT OPG's who were quite willing to move to a FT contract inc Sunday.

I'd imagine that this will be the "compromise agreed by the union. Nobody currently employed will be forced to work Sundays, but if you want an increase in hours in the future then your new contract will include potential Sunday working.

[TopperGas]

My local office is advertising full time jobs (albeit 35hrs) The problem is they are advertising them as Wed-Sun fixed Mon and Tues off. This is basically because we are a big hub office and cannot get postie volunteers to resource Sunday we traditionally have 6-8 agency guys in 3-4 from other offices and sometimes 1 or 2 of our own docket kings who didn't pick up much that week.

The business is doing this already and we have allowed to happen how can we complain and make a fuss about 'pulling up the ladder' on the new staff when they are already coming in on inferior T&C's add to this the lack of sick pay for the first 12 months this doesn't feel like a battle we can win so I wonder why it is added to the strings dispute? Also a large proportion of our MC colleagues presumably already work very unsocial weekend hours.

Spin and counter spin I guess.

Thoughts on a postcard to.....

It's hardly inferior terms just OPG's contracted for different days of the week, I assume they'll still get the Sunday supplement? Contracts based on working Sunday's have been advertised by RM already for over a year, we've got 3 OPG's in our DO who have such contracts, two of them previously PT OPG's who were quite willing to move to a FT contract inc Sunday.

I'd imagine that this will be the "compromise agreed by the union. Nobody currently employed will be forced to work Sundays, but if you want an increase in hours in the future then your new contract will include potential Sunday working.

That's not going to address the issue of how RM gets the present FT'ers to work Sunday's?

[TopperGas]

All our PTers work 3 day weeks to cover the days off of the FTers. The ones that want extra tend to work their Thurs and Fridays off. No one in our office wants to be contracted to work every Saturday and Sunday. Compulsory Sundays is my red line although I'm 30 years in and would like to do another 12-15 years to make sure I have max pension options at 65. But I will not give up the only day off I can spend with my family. They can try to annualise my hours but I will make sure I fill my day every day so that I don't ever owe them any thing.
Hard to see how the dispute can end unless the current board get removed due to long term share price damage. It's going to be a long summer

I doubt that'll work if our hours are annualised as the managers will most likely say each morning to their OPG's "you've X hours to complete your round today" and if you don't complete within that time then they'll want an explanation why you want over. With managers themselves under pressure to save X amount of hours per week in the summer months. Welcome to the new world of micro management.

The whole point of the management changes is to stop "so called micro management" of course it's all bollox.

I thought it was the opposite as with smaller teams to manager micro management would be far easier, regardless somebody somewhere has to decide how long duties should take in the summer,

[belle smith]

I doubt that'll work if our hours are annualised as the managers will most likely say each morning to their OPG's "you've X hours to complete your round today" and if you don't complete within that time then they'll want an explanation why you want over. With managers themselves under pressure to save X amount of hours per week in the summer months. Welcome to the new world of micro management.

I’d agree with that. Currently if it’s quiet no one cares if you work To you finish time so long as you’re not over. If they can claw the hours back they will want everyone back ASAP

[postslippete]

Royal Mail have already recruited people to work Sundays. For anyone else its voluntary overtime

[elteleltel]

Surely if annualised hours comes in then people will think " if I stay out longer in summer I'll do less in winter " take breaks and not rush out .
The smart ones will have done the hrs by Dec 1st or at least be on par with hrs actually worked versus target hrs

[HTPostman]

Surely if annualised hours comes in then people will think " if I stay out longer in summer I'll do less in winter " take breaks and not rush out .
The smart ones will have done the hrs by Dec 1st or at least be on par with hrs actually worked versus target hrs

That’s my thought, and few of the screws are intelligent enough to monitor the hours worked and ensure you still have hours in the bank to do extra during winter. Some managers don’t even realise when someone hasn’t turned up, it can take them 2 hours to notice!

[iHateD2Ds]

I think RM need to address current issues which are happening NOW rather than creating a whole lot with annualised hours.