Cover being moved due to working days off

[Ozzvaldo]

A cover person that refuses to change walks, thus resulting in a duty duty holder not attending on OT, is NOT at fault or blameworthy for any extra lapsing......which in any case doesn't have to be done if you don't have time within your duty hours. It's actually the fault of RM for deliberately understaffing offices and imposing lapsing as a replacement measure.

[Captain Scarlet]

I am a cover person, but its becoming a stress when 3 times a week I have no consistency due to the duty holder working their day off.
I get they need to have operational needs but surely in fairness (which is a word that rarely goes hand in hand with the company) it shouldn't happen at least 2-3 times a week having me kicked off and put somewhere else, effectively being a reserve?
Iam senior to half the staff there and I purposely declined a duty in the repick 3 months ago so I could drop a day and do a 4 day cover. I only regularly do 1 of my duties each week which is my cover.
Is there anything I can do about this? Its a tricky one because if the duty holder wants to work their day off they will only go on their own round effectively kicking me off it.
Ive worked in other offices where the cover person stays on cover and if the duty holder wants to work their day off then they will be given a choice of any other duty available.
Do I have absolutely no rights in this? Its my duty for the day and its becoming annoying and causes stress. There are people been in the company less than 6 months and are on duties which are not even signed to them.

The duty holder working their day off will have to do another duty, you have a duty as covering day's off. Therefor you know exactly which duty on each day of the week to cover.The manager or Rep must be aware of this but if they wish to work day off it's got to be on another duty effectively helping out the office rather than you being punted onto something else. This was happening in our office to help the favourites but Rep put a stop to it as it's not allowed. If they want overtime then they must do another duty and you stick to your duty patterns. It has nothin at all to do with someone signing and it's their duty only because if this was the case then your duty requires tou to cover XYZ on specefic days. Take it up with Rep or Area Rep cos your being shafted. Hope that answers your query...from a former Union Rep

[POSTMAN]

Where's the fricking reps in these situations ffs!

[clashcityrocker]

Where's the fricking reps in these situations ffs!

Probably working their day off on SA - then you don't get the problem of rest day covers.

[pieoftheday]

nope sorry if the duty holder has picked a job it belongs to them, you effectively picked the job of being spare.

Not true, if someone picks a cover 'duty' it's still a duty they've signed for hence they cover the regular persons day off. If the regular person wants to work their day they dont have the automatic rite to boot the cover man off their duty if your a cover man that hasnt signed for the cover duty then you're just a spare bod that can be put anywhere

[postiewhite]

nope sorry if the duty holder has picked a job it belongs to them, you effectively picked the job of being spare.

Not true, if someone picks a cover 'duty' it's still a duty they've signed for hence they cover the regular persons day off. If the regular person wants to work their day they dont have the automatic rite to boot the cover man off their duty if your a cover man that hasnt signed for the cover duty then you're just a spare bod that can be put anywhere

2yr postie has got it all wrong and doesn't understand how things are supposed to work. Im guessing he is relatively new to the job. He will learn with experience

[2yearpostie]

nope sorry if the duty holder has picked a job it belongs to them, you effectively picked the job of being spare.

Not true, if someone picks a cover 'duty' it's still a duty they've signed for hence they cover the regular persons day off. If the regular person wants to work their day they dont have the automatic rite to boot the cover man off their duty if your a cover man that hasnt signed for the cover duty then you're just a spare bod that can be put anywhere

2yr postie has got it all wrong and doesn't understand how things are supposed to work. Im guessing he is relatively new to the job. He will learn with experience

Nearly 5 years so no not new, just saying what happens in my office as otherwise (being a realitively small office) over 25% walks wouldnt go out if the duyty holder didnt work overtime and the only way they agree to it (in the whole office) is that your on your normal duty.

[Clappedoutpostie]

The duty holder working their day off will have to do another duty, you have a duty as covering day's off. Therefor you know exactly which duty on each day of the week to cover.The manager or Rep must be aware of this but if they wish to work day off it's got to be on another duty effectively helping out the office rather than you being punted onto something else. This was happening in our office to help the favourites but Rep put a stop to it as it's not allowed. If they want overtime then they must do another duty and you stick to your duty patterns. It has nothin at all to do with someone signing and it's their duty only because if this was the case then your duty requires tou to cover XYZ on specefic days. Take it up with Rep or Area Rep cos your being shafted. Hope that answers your query...from a former Union Rep

Is the correct answer. The people who have been getting deals will be grumpy for a couple of weeks and throw their toys out their pram but after 2 or 3 weeks will be crawling back to work their days off (on another job) if they want the docket. Seen it happen. Lazy management.

[2yearpostie]

The duty holder working their day off will have to do another duty, you have a duty as covering day's off. Therefor you know exactly which duty on each day of the week to cover.The manager or Rep must be aware of this but if they wish to work day off it's got to be on another duty effectively helping out the office rather than you being punted onto something else. This was happening in our office to help the favourites but Rep put a stop to it as it's not allowed. If they want overtime then they must do another duty and you stick to your duty patterns. It has nothin at all to do with someone signing and it's their duty only because if this was the case then your duty requires tou to cover XYZ on specefic days. Take it up with Rep or Area Rep cos your being shafted. Hope that answers your query...from a former Union Rep

Is the correct answer. The people who have been getting deals will be grumpy for a couple of weeks and throw their toys out their pram but after 2 or 3 weeks will be crawling back to work their days off (on another job) if they want the docket. Seen it happen. Lazy management.

Putting the needs of group of people against another, a harmonius office enviroment this will not be.

Generally im a bit odd. I care about whats right for the WHOLE office and not one person/duty holder/cover/reserve/etc.

If a duty holder is coming in on o/t its because somewhere in that office work need to be covered, not because someone wants extra moner, Rm really dont care if we want extra money.

In that situtation theres these ways to cover the work that needs doing.

A. Lapse-Annoys the most people
B. Leave a job in -Annoys the holder of that duty the next day with dbl mail.
C. Offer it on overtime to anyone (inc a duty holder of another duty) -Generally not taken.
D. Move things around so someone who knows it does it (reserve/float/cover duty holder) and ask duty holder in to cover own duty. Generally only upsets one person.

[postiewhite]

The duty holder working their day off will have to do another duty, you have a duty as covering day's off. Therefor you know exactly which duty on each day of the week to cover.The manager or Rep must be aware of this but if they wish to work day off it's got to be on another duty effectively helping out the office rather than you being punted onto something else. This was happening in our office to help the favourites but Rep put a stop to it as it's not allowed. If they want overtime then they must do another duty and you stick to your duty patterns. It has nothin at all to do with someone signing and it's their duty only because if this was the case then your duty requires tou to cover XYZ on specefic days. Take it up with Rep or Area Rep cos your being shafted. Hope that answers your query...from a former Union Rep

Is the correct answer. The people who have been getting deals will be grumpy for a couple of weeks and throw their toys out their pram but after 2 or 3 weeks will be crawling back to work their days off (on another job) if they want the docket. Seen it happen. Lazy management.

Putting the needs of group of people against another, a harmonius office enviroment this will not be.

Generally im a bit odd. I care about whats right for the WHOLE office and not one person/duty holder/cover/reserve/etc.

If a duty holder is coming in on o/t its because somewhere in that office work need to be covered, not because someone wants extra moner, Rm really dont care if we want extra money.

In that situtation theres these ways to cover the work that needs doing.

A. Lapse-Annoys the most people
B. Leave a job in -Annoys the holder of that duty the next day with dbl mail.
C. Offer it on overtime to anyone (inc a duty holder of another duty) -Generally not taken.
D. Move things around so someone who knows it does it (reserve/float/cover duty holder) and ask duty holder in to cover own duty. Generally only upsets one person.

People have a start and finish time. You are not forced to take any lapsing if it means you are going over so how would people get upset if they do not have to do it if it takes them over. You just need to say NO to the manager. If NO isn't good enough then the rep needs to be involved but NO should be enough. If you think you can do the lapsing as well as your duty (in time) then maybe your duty is too short and as you care so much for the office (as you say) then shouldn't you be telling your manager to make your duty a bit longer to help save them money and shortages?!!

Having various duties to cover every single day is the problem of RM, not the staff and not the cover person's fault. Maybe you need to step up and help solve this problem in your office.

[Sir Henry]

B & D 'upset' the same amount of people.

B is preferred choice as the duty holder really shouldn't take the f***ing piss.
"Oh yes I'll come in on o/t, what? not on my own round? well no thank you I won't if I don't get my own way"
Do another walk and learn it you feckless arse. No? You'll just be moved off your walk if you learn others you say?.
Like covers you mean?
The cover that has to leave his scheduled duty for your intransigence over overtime you can easily do without seemingly?
Go on, off you f**k poppet, let someone who NEEDS the o/t have it.

C: the grabbing docket kings would have it split up and bagged before before the echo of "Third of a walk on o/t!" stopped reverberating around the depot.

A Lapsing should not take place in such an instance.

[centenaryman]

i work the wallington week...or 6 days and save day off if you prefer my floater asked if i was gunna work.....have promised him i will work other duties because on my week off it is not my walk...its his he signed for the float duty so its his every 6th week

if i was the floater i wouldnt budge....if you sign for a duty its yours on that particular day or week

[ted_e_bear]

Finally.......we've got to the end of this tedious post and Sir Henry is telling it like it is plus centenaryman explained perfectly as it should be.

Thanks lads that should sum it up for everyone.

[steve1873]

nope sorry if the duty holder has picked a job it belongs to them, you effectively picked the job of being spare.

Absolute, unadulterated nonsense!

[fixxxer85]

I disagree and agree with 2yearpostie. In certain types of offices it is way easier to cover duties if the duty holder works their day off on their duty. These tend to be rural offices where it's a case of who knows what.

However, based on objective fairness anyone working their day off should do any duty that needs covering. The duty holder does not have the automatic right to 'their' duty whatever. The day off cover has the right on that day.

Plus, they are RM routes so anyone can do them. The fact that we have signed for duties makes it easier for resourcing of staff and that's the top and bottom of it. But again, if you have a lot of rurals, it's who knows what.