Payrise

[Woody Guthrie]

. If it is a majority YES then it is implemented. If it is a majority NO, back to the table it goes.

As I've said before, many who vote YES only look at the percentage pay increase and back pay, not the claw back small print. THAT, along with those who can't even be bothered to vote, are a big part of the problem.

That's a massive oversimplification and to be honest a union cop out.

These negotiations take a long time.
Once the PEC endorses a deal it is recommended that it is accepted and the majority of branches will fall into line and recommend it.
There are then reps meeting where they are pushed to recommend it to the members.
It is in most cases made clear to the members that there is no plan b for negotiation and this is as good as it gets.

With this backdrop you expect the membership to do anything but accept a deal?

It's not about back pay or small print or even those who can't be bothered to vote. The only people who could ultimately influence a vote once it has been endorsed by the PEC are the Divisional Reps with support of the Branches (Some have more influence than others).

It is about how the deal is sold to the members as the only deal in town. That's why the members accept those deals.

[blacov]

. If it is a majority YES then it is implemented. If it is a majority NO, back to the table it goes.

As I've said before, many who vote YES only look at the percentage pay increase and back pay, not the claw back small print. THAT, along with those who can't even be bothered to vote, are a big part of the problem.

That's a massive oversimplification and to be honest a union cop out.

These negotiations take a long time.
Once the PEC endorses a deal it is recommended that it is accepted and the majority of branches will fall into line and recommend it.
There are then reps meeting where they are pushed to recommend it to the members.
It is in most cases made clear to the members that there is no plan b for negotiation and this is as good as it gets.

With this backdrop you expect the membership to do anything but accept a deal?

It's not about back pay or small print or even those who can't be bothered to vote. The only people who could ultimately influence a vote once it has been endorsed by the PEC are the Divisional Reps with support of the Branches (Some have more influence than others).

It is about how the deal is sold to the members as the only deal in town. That's why the members accept those deals.

That's exactly what happened last time isn't it? We are being manipulated that this is as good as it gets and honestly last deal was mediocre at best, but given the circumstances that many people were losing their jobs and the pandemic halted economy etc (well for royal mail it was exceptionally strong financial period). We were sold as a deal of century. Now we are less than 3months after 400m were spent on dividend payments, in the middle of living cost crisis, national wage has just risen by around 6.5%, other businesses are awarding their people pay rises and job market is stronger than ever. Days go by and we hear absolutely nothing. There are no excuses this time for CWU and this should be simple message, either they offer a pay rise adequate to the inflation and soaring living costs or we ballot for strike. Simple as that.

[Cedar_Room]

What makes me laugh is that old Terry has spent the last few months telling us how strong the relationship between RM & the CWU is,especially after the toxic Rico Back era,yet when it gets down to the nitty gritty of giving the proles a half decent pay rise,the company reverts to type & the union basically disappears!

Surely,at the very least ,we deserve an update every couple of days?

Absolutely sick to death of the lot of ‘um!

[norris9]

From what I have heard recruiting Posties is an issue throughout the country. Keeping delivery offices fully staffed, or even close to fully staffed is a problem.

A inadequate pay rise will just cause more problems with staff numbers.

Though I am not sure Royal Mail care as they just get us to take 2 days mail out for no extra pay so they save money being understaffed by the looks of it.

People say they lose money with sick pay, but how much do they save by being understaffed and getting us to take 2 days mail? I wouldn't be surprised if it balances itself out.

[Woody Guthrie]

He's on FB right now, another non update update, talks haven't even started yet..

[POSTMAN]

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[mjd24]

Thanks for that Si.

Seems like we should all accept a very low pay increase at most judging by what youre saying, cant imagine theres enough money available going forwards to give us anywhere near an inflation matching rise.

Id guess you must be assessing your remuneration too, cant believe we as a Team can continue to pay you what- 20-30 times annually what we posties get? That would be kind of crazy wouldnt it, and certainly wouldnt tally with what youve very succinctly just pointed out to us about the reality of the business in the current climate.

We look forward to hearing back from you with your pay cut details. Perhaps 10-15 times what we earn would be sufficient for you? And obviously lots of special extra benefits no doubt

Thanks Si, big love mate

[Tinoblade]

That video is screaming there's gunna be some serious strings attached

[fb1969]

Super Si takes 5 minutes to say "f**k the lot of you" to the workforce.

Terry Bullshitter takes 18 minutes to not convince me that he gives much of a s**t about anyone either. Still going on about us being part of the community etc - Terry, Si doesn't care less. If he did we wouldn't have delayed so many hospital letters and cards.

[2yearpostie]

place your bets here. im going for 3.5%

[guardianangel]

What are going for this year ? I reckon we need at least 10- 20% .I reckon Terry comes back with 2% and £100 one off payment and says we have got a good deal .

They are all in it together,screwed yet again.

[Cucumber]

I definitely get the feeling it will be a 2-3% no strings or 6-8% with attack on sick pay/paid meal breaks.

[Hyrrokkin]

What are going for this year ? I reckon we need at least 10- 20% .I reckon Terry comes back with 2% and £100 one off payment and says we have got a good deal .

They are all in it together,screwed yet again.

Super Si takes 5 minutes to say "f**k the lot of you" to the workforce.

Terry Bullshitter takes 18 minutes to not convince me that he gives much of a s**t about anyone either. Still going on about us being part of the community etc - Terry, Si doesn't care less. If he did we wouldn't have delayed so many hospital letters and cards.

RM/CWU bosses are corrupt and adept at screwing us over every chance they get.
RM will plead poverty this or war/covid/alien invasion that as usual and their lackies CWU will run point for them...every single time.

[number one]

So he’s fully aware of the state of our vans yet agreed to pay shareholders £400m

He’s fully aware of the need to invest but paid shareholders £400m

What other company pays over 50% of their profits to shareholders?

People who hold large amounts of shares shouldn’t then be responsible for how much shareholders receive. It would be interesting to know his total holdings and how much he personally made from the payout.

It’s easy being a millionaire and telling other in just about minimum wage they are well paid.

[blacov]

So he’s fully aware of the state of our vans yet agreed to pay shareholders £400m

He’s fully aware of the need to invest but paid shareholders £400m

What other company pays over 50% of their profits to shareholders?

People who hold large amounts of shares shouldn’t then be responsible for how much shareholders receive. It would be interesting to know his total holdings and how much he personally made from the payout.

It’s easy being a millionaire and telling other in just about minimum wage they are well paid.

This was exactly my thought. If he wanted to play the victim card and claim we haven't been making enough to pay for necessary investments so we are not in position to offer you anything. Why the hell he paid £400m in dividends? I mean if CWU grew a pair there has to be ballot for strike as judging by the message from the CEOs video we aren't getting anything worth even mentioning. I also noticed where he touched on the employment and current job market situation. Is he taking us for idiots? We have just dropped last covid restrictions and there a lot of jobs out there. Tourism and hospitality, airline sectors are desperate for people, high street retailer have bounced back up after dreadful 2years and are now looking for staff. What war in Ukraine has to do with Royal Mail? Apart from inflated energy and fuel costs that I do agree must be hurting the budget a bit but not to the point to make an inflation matchin pay rise unaffordable.