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Christmas Bank Holidays & Non-service (USO) Days

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With the New Years Day been given off, what about Saturday June 4th for the Queens Platinum Jubilee? We already have the Thursday & Friday off but have to go back in on the Saturday!
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Pikeman180 wrote: ↑
29 Dec 2021, 20:50
With the New Years Day been given off, what about Saturday June 4th for the Queens Platinum Jubilee? We already have the Thursday & Friday off but have to go back in on the Saturday!
RM might apply for a non service day, or they won't and we'll have work it.
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What if my days off landed on the Monday and Tuesday and then I was on holiday for the rest of the week will I get two day in lieu?
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johndkim1989 wrote: ↑
06 Jan 2022, 17:04
What if my days off landed on the Monday and Tuesday and then I was on holiday for the rest of the week will I get two day in lieu?
I assume you're talking about Mon 27 and Tue 28, you should do, that's the normal practice, it was mentioned at the end of Postman's
original post in this thread topic.
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Apologies if it’s been asked in advance but what about annual leave? E.G. if you’ve a week booked off and there’s a non service day are you deducted for it?
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picture123 wrote: ↑
10 Jan 2022, 22:01
Apologies if it’s been asked in advance but what about annual leave? E.G. if you’ve a week booked off and there’s a non service day are you deducted for it?
Yes. A non-service day is not a public holiday, so if on annual leave it is counted as that.
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HR

Annual Leave on Non Service Days

We have received the following useful information from the Attendance Team regarding the recording of Annual Leave in PSP for non service days:

Bank holidays over Christmas were 27th/28th December and 3rdJanuary. 1st January is a non-working day but not a bank holiday, therefore it’s correct that annual leave is deducted for that day. Managers can however utilise the ad hoc work schedule function so that the correct amount of leave is taken for that week.

Employees are still entitled to two bank holidays for the week commencing 27thDecember (provided they work at least 4 days per week or have agreed those bank holidays with their manager if they work 3 days or fewer). Therefore, they should only use 3 days of annual leave (assuming a 5 day work schedule) if they have booked off that week. For example, if an employee works Tuesday to Saturday and had booked the whole week off then their manager should input an ad hoc work schedule for Monday to Friday for that week, to ensure that only three days of leave are used. If the same employee was only taking a partial week of leave, for example Thursday to Sunday, the manager should input a bank holiday credit for the Monday as the bank holiday fell on a non-scheduled work day. This would add a day of annual leave entitlement to the employee’s record. They would still be getting the two bank holidays they are entitled to – the 28thas they did not work on a scheduled day, and the 27th as a bank holiday credit. In this case that bank holiday credit would “cancel out” the leave used on 1st January.

Sometimes a Saturday leave deduction will be correct when an employee books the whole week off, with no ad hoc action required. For example, if an employee works Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to Saturday, the annual leave deduction would be correct because they will only be using three days’ worth of annual leave (Wednesday to Saturday).
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POSTMAN wrote: ↑
13 Jan 2022, 13:57
HR

Annual Leave on Non Service Days

We have received the following useful information from the Attendance Team regarding the recording of Annual Leave in PSP for non service days:

Bank holidays over Christmas were 27th/28th December and 3rdJanuary. 1st January is a non-working day but not a bank holiday, therefore it’s correct that annual leave is deducted for that day. Managers can however utilise the ad hoc work schedule function so that the correct amount of leave is taken for that week.

Employees are still entitled to two bank holidays for the week commencing 27thDecember (provided they work at least 4 days per week or have agreed those bank holidays with their manager if they work 3 days or fewer). Therefore, they should only use 3 days of annual leave (assuming a 5 day work schedule) if they have booked off that week. For example, if an employee works Tuesday to Saturday and had booked the whole week off then their manager should input an ad hoc work schedule for Monday to Friday for that week, to ensure that only three days of leave are used. If the same employee was only taking a partial week of leave, for example Thursday to Sunday, the manager should input a bank holiday credit for the Monday as the bank holiday fell on a non-scheduled work day. This would add a day of annual leave entitlement to the employee’s record. They would still be getting the two bank holidays they are entitled to – the 28thas they did not work on a scheduled day, and the 27th as a bank holiday credit. In this case that bank holiday credit would “cancel out” the leave used on 1st January.

Sometimes a Saturday leave deduction will be correct when an employee books the whole week off, with no ad hoc action required. For example, if an employee works Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to Saturday, the annual leave deduction would be correct because they will only be using three days’ worth of annual leave (Wednesday to Saturday).
That clears that up then 😂 Feel like i need Martin Lewis or someone to explain that to me in an eady to understand way.

Always seems to me like a lot of this sort of stuff from Royal Mail or the union is deliberately over complicated for some reason.
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The normal rule of thumb is...

If a day is a bank holiday, then you get it off, and if it's your day off on that day you 'get it back'.
Normal bank holiday rules apply - see here... Bank and public holidays
If a day is classed as a 'Non-service (USO) Day' then you get it off but if it's your day off on that day you WON'T get it back.
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