RMCtv : Why is our overtime rate lower than our hourly rate?

[POSTMAN]

Simon Says

Simon Thomson

"Now we always keep an eye on pay rates, and ours are, of course, amongst the best in the industry, and along with the rest of the things that we offer, we believe definitely amongst the best in the industry.

Now other organisations can pay more than their standard rate for overtime, but I think it's fair to say that where that is the case, we have a big difference between the standard rate in the overtime rate perhaps 'their' standard rates are not quite as good as ours.

I think the other thing as well that I would say on this topic is as we equalise our workload thanks to the revisions process which we're really happy with the progress on that we do want to make sure that overtime opportunities are available to everybody on a fair basis as well."

[pete2806]

"equalise our workload thanks to the revisions"..!
Are you for real? This geo route planner is on the same wavelength of Horizons!

[WASD]

Who's "we're" ?

And what's he on about, "overtime opportunities are available to everybody on a fair basis as well" ?
My office can't operate without excessive overtime because we don't have the staff, staff are doing loads already and don't want anymore overtime. But yet we're still dropping rounds.

Good luck with the share price after xmas Simon.

[crimson king]

I genuinely believe that this man is attempting to provoke something in the run up to Xmas.

Nobody could be clueless enough to keep issuing these barely veiled attacks on the workforce, surely?

[theotherone]

This guy is on a different planet.
Equalising workloads has nothing to do with it.
Because other people in the industry work for less,our o/t rate is justified?
If I work my day of on o/t that surely means I get less then the other days.
Absolute s*itshow.

[hans solo]

i gave up on ot when time and a half disappeared who the f**k wants to work more hours for less pay

[2yearpostie]

Thats why theres a 3 hour difference in finish times after the revision then? Also how about we all stop ot now just before christmas and see what happens?

[Shirtbuttons]

Other people in the industry work for less! Who? I don’t ever see anybody else doing the same job as me. I never see anybody apart from RM posties trudging around in all weathers with 10 plus bags of Mail to deliver. Letters in one hand, pda, and a parcel in the other, All I see is big vans all racked out with plenty of room to organise your parcels and a max of 90 drops. No letters, so who are our competitors? You only have to look in the car parks of some of the people in the industry who get less pay. They sure have some expensive cars.

[denhamhoop]

If you really want to show just how unfair the overtime rate is for Posties speak to an Angard Agency Worker as once they go over a certain amount of hours their rate actually goes up which considering their actual rate if they have done the 6 month qualification period is £5 an hour higher than a Postmans rate. So you have a situation where if myself and an Angard Agency did a 48 hour week my pay before tax would work out at around £ 720 whereas the Agency worker would earn £ 820 before tax for the same hours but just remember casuals are cheaper than Posties

[fb1969]

I'm actively looking for another job at the moment.

Bin men work outdoors and the adverts locally say £10/hour with overtime at time and a half (or £15/hour).

Someone with over a year at RM gets £12.05/hour pay with overtime at £12.17/hour (or time and a hundredth).

[Dexydog]

And you can bet your life if a bin man gets back early the gaffer will say "well done, get yourself home".
Our reward for working hard is lapsing.
Any incentive in this job has long gone, the overtime rate is just another slap in the face.

[fb1969]

And you can bet your life if a bin man gets back early the gaffer will say "well done, get yourself home".
Our reward for working hard is lapsing.
Any incentive in this job has long gone, the overtime rate is just another slap in the face.

The advert states it is a job and finish role, and that there may be days where overtime is expected to get the round finished. Overtime is paid time and a half.

So overtime is expected, but it is also likely that you go home when everything is done. Another advert also said that working most Bank Holidays is required, but that was paid at double time and a day off in lieu.

[ssdd]

Other people in the industry work for less! Who? I don’t ever see anybody else doing the same job as me. I never see anybody apart from RM posties trudging around in all weathers with 10 plus bags of Mail to deliver. Letters in one hand, pda, and a parcel in the other, All I see is big vans all racked out with plenty of room to organise your parcels and a max of 90 drops. No letters, so who are our competitors? You only have to look in the car parks of some of the people in the industry who get less pay. They sure have some expensive cars.

That's a good point. The others in our industry are couriers/parcel delivery companies who don't have to juggle parcels AND mail. The pay rate - whilst good in relation to minimum, sorry, living wage - pales into comparison when you factor in the workload we have these days.

[mjd24]

Simon Thomson

"Now we always keep an eye on pay rates, and ours are, of course, amongst the best in the industry, and along with the rest of the things that we offer, we believe definitely amongst the best in the industry.

Now other organisations can pay more than their standard rate for overtime, but I think it's fair to say that where that is the case, we have a big difference between the standard rate in the overtime rate perhaps 'their' standard rates are not quite as good as ours.

I think the other thing as well that I would say on this topic is as we equalise our workload thanks to the revisions process which we're really happy with the progress on that we do want to make sure that overtime opportunities are available to everybody on a fair basis as well."

Happy with the revisions?!

[TopperGas]

Other people in the industry work for less! Who? I don’t ever see anybody else doing the same job as me. I never see anybody apart from RM posties trudging around in all weathers with 10 plus bags of Mail to deliver. Letters in one hand, pda, and a parcel in the other, All I see is big vans all racked out with plenty of room to organise your parcels and a max of 90 drops. No letters, so who are our competitors? You only have to look in the car parks of some of the people in the industry who get less pay. They sure have some expensive cars.

Plus you missed out delivering D2D's!

There's a radio advert on my local radio for Hermes offering new starters £12+ an hour basic plus overtime, which I assume is at time and a half, surely they are one of our competitors, so who's actually paying less than £12 per hour basic?

I just wonder how easy it will be to recruit the extra 20,000 temporary workers required for this festive season, when it seems there's a lot competition for staff from other employers?