Agreed, but the OP question was is there an agreement to take break at the end of duty to ensure the delivery connect
times - the answer is no, a break is for you to take a break, not to facilitate a revision that doesn't enable the connection.
The working time directive actually states that your manager can tell you when to take your break.
The timing of an office's break should be determined by the office as part of the revision process.
The timing of your break isn't and never has been a matter of individual choice.
The scenario described by the OP does not give the management an option
to force you to take the break (40 mins) or part of the break (second 20 mins) at the
end of duty - this from the .gov website:
Taking breaks
Employers can say when employees take rest breaks during work time as long as:
the break is taken in one go somewhere in the middle of the day (not at the beginning or end)
workers are allowed to spend it away from their desk or workstation (ie away from where they actually work)
Agree the timing of your break should be determined by the revision process, but I don't
believe that the staff should be forced to take a break/part break through a local 'agreement'
at the end of duty time to facilitate a badly thought through revision.
Computer says x is finishing early, next revision add more work and so it goes.
This is 2021 people, wake up, going home early should no longer be an option.
Exactly this. How many people will want to take 20 mins at the end of duty if and when RM link pay to scanning out.
So why does the Union condone the practice of taking 20 mins off the end of the shift ,if this isn't recorded as meal relief on the PDA? Management should be held to account for this!
Agreed, but the OP question was is there an agreement to take break at the end of duty to ensure the delivery connect
times - the answer is no, a break is for you to take a break, not to facilitate a revision that doesn't enable the connection.
The working time directive actually states that your manager can tell you when to take your break.
The timing of an office's break should be determined by the office as part of the revision process.
The timing of your break isn't and never has been a matter of individual choice.
I would love this to be actually used. As we all know, managers keep completely schtum about breaks, hoping OPGs can be be harrassed/guilted into working through them to firefight the daily shitstorm.
Oh, how I'd love our DOM to dictate "You will take a break at such and such a time."
But, as I have already alluded to, they won't, hence everyone making up their own rules...
But, even without managers' determined times...make sure you take your breaks...but don't kill the job by "taking" them at the end...
Computer says x is finishing early, next revision add more work and so it goes.
This is 2021 people, wake up, going home early should no longer be an option.
Exactly this. How many people will want to take 20 mins at the end of duty if and when RM link pay to scanning out.
So why does the Union condone the practice of taking 20 mins off the end of the shift ,if this isn't recorded as meal relief on the PDA? Management should be held to account for this!
So why does the Union condone the practice of taking 20 mins off the end of the shift ,if this isn't recorded as meal relief on the PDA? Management should be held to account for this!
Maybe the idea is that you actually take your break, and then log out at your finishing time. I know...radical thinking...
So why does the Union condone the practice of taking 20 mins off the end of the shift ,if this isn't recorded as meal relief on the PDA? Management should be held to account for this!
Maybe the idea is that you actually take your break, and then log out at your finishing time. I know...radical thinking...
Maybe this should now be explained officially by the union then, it seems to open to different interpretations depending on which office you are in !
So why does the Union condone the practice of taking 20 mins off the end of the shift ,if this isn't recorded as meal relief on the PDA? Management should be held to account for this!
Maybe the idea is that you actually take your break, and then log out at your finishing time. I know...radical thinking...
Maybe this should now be explained officially by the union then, it seems to open to different interpretations depending on which office you are in !
Well, I thought it had, numerous times.
Sadly, the days of local agreements and local management looking away at the end of the day have ended.It's the levels above the DOMs that are dictating now. All they see on the PDA Actuals are people finishing 20 minutes early, not people taking meal breaks and these hours will get taken out of the office.
Hi all
We have had an office revision is there a national agreement regarding taking your break at the end of your duty back at the office, so that you can make sure collected mail is back in the office ready to meet the pipeline times on a Saturday.
Duty start time 0700
Duty finish time 1415
Return to the office 1355
I hope that makes sense
TIA
Local BS manager agreement more like. We've been categorically told we can't claim our break at the end of shift. I suggest you take your break and come back on time.
Isn't there a Union agreement whereby if working full-time hours the 40 min break could be split, allowing 20mins to be taken either at the beginning or end of the shift?
No. There is an agreement which days it CAN'T be taken at beginning or end. Why anyone would want to take a 20 min break as soon as they get to work is beyond me though.
So why does the Union condone the practice of taking 20 mins off the end of the shift ,if this isn't recorded as meal relief on the PDA? Management should be held to account for this!
Maybe the idea is that you actually take your break, and then log out at your finishing time. I know...radical thinking...
Doesn't matter when you log off. The PDA will trigger when you get back to the office and 'allow' you 10 mins to unload park up and finish off.
Isn't there a Union agreement whereby if working full-time hours the 40 min break could be split, allowing 20mins to be taken either at the beginning or end of the shift?
No. There is an agreement which days it CAN'T be taken at beginning or end. Why anyone would want to take a 20 min break as soon as they get to work is beyond me though.
Maybe one of the admins could step in and clarify...
So why does the Union condone the practice of taking 20 mins off the end of the shift ,if this isn't recorded as meal relief on the PDA? Management should be held to account for this!
Maybe the idea is that you actually take your break, and then log out at your finishing time. I know...radical thinking...
Maybe this should now be explained officially by the union then, it seems to open to different interpretations depending on which office you are in !
If the cwu actually comunicated to the workforce a consistent line it would be good. What does the c in cwu stand for?
