If letters end up being cut for the number of days per week then dynamically generated walks is a distinct possibility. With recent changes, apart from stamped and foreign mail, shortly everything les e will have a 2D barcode on, with the destination address encoded in the barcode. The boundaries between walks would change each day depending on what's going where
That's quite an interesting thought. Is that your own thought, or something somewhere giving hints?
I think you're probably right in this thinking regardless. It makes sense, especially with the random man hours delivery/posties have (contracted hours), and with the difficulty to predict volume numbers to within a tight margin, so less wasted hours for definite.
I think the reality will be quite different to what's written down in some future plans however, but this is just due to the exact same problems we have now. Poor software, poor management or lack of flexibility in DOM's decision making due to upper management forcing restrictions.
If letters end up being cut for the number of days per week then dynamically generated walks is a distinct possibility. With recent changes, apart from stamped and foreign mail, shortly everything les e will have a 2D barcode on, with the destination address encoded in the barcode. The boundaries between walks would change each day depending on what's going where
That's quite an interesting thought. Is that your own thought, or something somewhere giving hints?
I think you're probably right in this thinking regardless. It makes sense, especially with the random man hours delivery/posties have (contracted hours), and with the difficulty to predict volume numbers to within a tight margin, so less wasted hours for definite.
I think the reality will be quite different to what's written down in some future plans however, but this is just due to the exact same problems we have now. Poor software, poor management or lack of flexibility in DOM's decision making due to upper management forcing restrictions.
I was just thinking about the direction we could be heading with most packets having a 2D barcode on them with the address encoded in the barcode. As the machines sort the packets or they get scanned the system will be able to see what's going where
There must be some cost benefit analysis in the decision to still have manual handoffs as part of the new automated parcel systems that Im not aware of? - the problem that my tiny mind cant fully understand is this;
1) RM senior management want to use less staff and reduce costs
2) The technology appears to exist for world class sorting/processing of parcels etc (at what cost admittedly I dont know)
3) Any fully automated/mechanised process can run 24hrs a day with lower levels of supervision
4) Taking people out of the sorting process, must by the very nature of human error, Increase productivity and reduce errors
5) Personal injuries and ill health from twisting/bending and associated movements for manual workers to load cages and bins etc are eliminated
6) Its just good business sense
Am i missing something or is it that being an outsider i dont fully appreciate what the pathway to change is.
And as for £800 for a PDA that seems mightily expensive.... makes you wonder if the manufacturer/supplier of them is based on the top of a hill .
If letters end up being cut for the number of days per week then dynamically generated walks is a distinct possibility. With recent changes, apart from stamped and foreign mail, shortly everything les e will have a 2D barcode on, with the destination address encoded in the barcode. The boundaries between walks would change each day depending on what's going where
You always go about these dynamically generated walks but never say how it would work in a delivery office. There are say 40 walks so 40 people turn up for work but the computer decides there will only be 30 walks that day, what do the 10 extra staff do? The only way it could work is if everybody was on a zero hour contract and despite all the negativity and doom and gloom we are still a bit away from that happening.
As for your other point that if they got rid of all the causal in amil centres they would fail miserably, how about they start filling vacancies in mail centres by advertising jobs in delivery offices, I guarantee alot of people would jump at the chance of working in mail centres instead of on deliveries
You always go about these dynamically generated walks but never say how it would work in a delivery office. There are say 40 walks so 40 people turn up for work but the computer decides there will only be 30 walks that day, what do the 10 extra staff do? The only way it could work is if everybody was on a zero hour contract and despite all the negativity and doom and gloom we are still a bit away from that happening.
They'd be sent out to other offices (I can see banking of hours eventually coming in)
As for your other point that if they got rid of all the causal in amil centres they would fail miserably, how about they start filling vacancies in mail centres by advertising jobs in delivery offices, I guarantee alot of people would jump at the chance of working in mail centres instead of on deliveries
AFAIK the jobs would have to be open to all to apply, even the casuals, and I believe that they'd also have to be advertised externally
All the other offices would be having dynamically generated walks so probably would already excess staff on the day so what would be the point of sending them anywhere else? Only way it works is if everyone is on zero hour contracts so it isn't going to happen and none of the current managers would be capable of managing it anyway.
They can advertise where they want but seniority still rules at the minute and there's a few 30 years plus blokes in my office who'd jump at a bit of night work to top up their pensions and others who would like a set start and finish time without having to explain why they don't want to work over
All the other offices would be having dynamically generated walks so probably would already excess staff on the day so what would be the point of sending them anywhere else? Only way it works is if everyone is on zero hour contracts so it isn't going to happen and none of the current managers would be capable of managing it anyway.
They can advertise where they want but seniority still rules at the minute and there's a few 30 years plus blokes in my office who'd jump at a bit of night work to top up their pensions and others who would like a set start and finish time without having to explain why they don't want to work over
Nothing to stop them putting in for some docket down the local MC. We have a few DO staff in on docket. btw, how many DOs have got "excess staff"? Judging by the forums there's probably hardly a single DO that has got excess staff at any time
Dynamically generated walls would need a huge cultural change amongst us postmen. ‘My round, my van, my york’ etc, I witnessed a half hour argument between a line manager telling a postman he couldn’t have his normal van that day as it was being used on an early packet run, the postman just kept saying ‘it’s my van, you’re not taking my van, it’s my van’ and the manager kept saying ‘it’s not your van, it’s Royal Mails van.’
I just can’t imagine some of the more senior ones here accepting it, so they are left alone because managers don’t want that hassle then we are back at square one.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.
It would be incredibly inefficient to try to dynamically generate walks on a daily basis and ridiculously difficult to manage with no upside for the business.
No disrespect but it's nonsense.
SP likes to continually put the wind up delivery members, why I don't know.
the postman just kept saying ‘it’s my van, you’re not taking my van, it’s my van’ and the manager kept saying ‘it’s not your van, it’s Royal Mails van.’
I've overheard the very same and it makes me chuckle because it reminds me of The Hunt For Red October:
"How many KGB agents are aboard my boat?"
"Your boat? This vessel belongs to the people of the Soviet Union!"
It would be incredibly inefficient to try to dynamically generate walks on a daily basis and ridiculously difficult to manage with no upside for the business.
No disrespect but it's nonsense.
SP likes to continually put the wind up delivery members, why I don't know.
Do you honestly think that RM will never use the 2D barcodes for any other purpose then sorting?
It would be incredibly inefficient to try to dynamically generate walks on a daily basis and ridiculously difficult to manage with no upside for the business.
No disrespect but it's nonsense.
SP likes to continually put the wind up delivery members, why I don't know.
Do you honestly think that RM will never use the 2D barcodes for any other purpose then sorting?
I was lead to believe that the 2d barcodes were primarily for tracking purposes. But, yeah, they could be used otherwise.
So I have this manager she used be a postman and started seeing the line manager getting given overtime to help him do indoor work and then when he left she was put straight into his job, the line manager job wasn't advertied she got it just on the recommendation of the line manager she was shagging who was leaving. This is why I hate this job, I've done 3 times as much service as her and more professional cuz I don't shag my boss yet she wins out in the end, why people give up on life when this happens Infront of there eyess
So I have this manager she used be a postman and started seeing the line manager getting given overtime to help him do indoor work and then when he left she was put straight into his job, the line manager job wasn't advertied she got it just on the recommendation of the line manager she was shagging who was leaving. This is why I hate this job, I've done 3 times as much service as her and more professional cuz I don't shag my boss yet she wins out in the end, why people give up on life when this happens Infront of there eyess
Well Congratulations on your First Post on RMC mkj I'll admit I'm not sure whether or not it's a wind up, sounds more like a soap on TV.
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)
There must be some cost benefit analysis in the decision to still have manual handoffs as part of the new automated parcel systems that Im not aware of? - the problem that my tiny mind cant fully understand is this;
1) RM senior management want to use less staff and reduce costs
2) The technology appears to exist for world class sorting/processing of parcels etc (at what cost admittedly I dont know)
3) Any fully automated/mechanised process can run 24hrs a day with lower levels of supervision
4) Taking people out of the sorting process, must by the very nature of human error, Increase productivity and reduce errors
5) Personal injuries and ill health from twisting/bending and associated movements for manual workers to load cages and bins etc are eliminated
6) Its just good business sense
Am i missing something or is it that being an outsider i dont fully appreciate what the pathway to change is.
And as for £800 for a PDA that seems mightily expensive.... makes you wonder if the manufacturer/supplier of them is based on the top of a hill .
Part 4 of your answer I have the pleasure of sorting work sorted by a Packet Sorting Machine and it roughly works at about 10 to 15 % mis sort rate doubt that even the worst sorter in the office is at such a poor percentage. We also have a Flat Sorting Machine where on the output lanes staff are told to go through every box that comes off the machine to pick out the missorts. Point 2 yep no doubt it exists but a) Royal Mail don't ever buy it b) have the problem of unlike Amazon there is no standardisation of the packets we handle therefore most scanning technology struggles to read addresses or barcodes. Point 3 Not quite true even machines cannot run non stop and need maintenance . Point 1 should be true but seems to in practice just "to be seen to" ie on balance sheet use less staff and reduce costs.
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I'll admit I'm not sure whether or not it's a wind up, sounds more like a soap on TV. 