Invitation to a fact finding meeting

p5aul789 · Post by **p5aul789** » 12 Nov 2019, 14:36

On Thursday 14th November I have been invited to a fact finding meeting.

I was handed a letter by a young power crazy line manager who is not popular.

On a recent trolley walk, I emptied a post box.

I was rushing back and failed to scan a bar code outside to complete the collection.

I simply forgot and apologised.

He will not let this lie. I have also done this once before.

In the letter it states, that the purpose of the meeting is to establish the facts and to determine if any formal action under the conduct policy is required.

What can he do?

Sack me or suspend me?

I also have the right in the meeting to be accompanied by a work colleague or union rep.

I am a little worried, and also feel he is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Advice welcome.

Thanks.

Post by **General Mannerheim** » 12 Nov 2019, 15:07

He won't sack you.
You will probably get a 12 month you've been a naughty boy warning.

Gasman11 · Post by **Gasman11** » 12 Nov 2019, 16:47

Sorry to sound unsympathetic but why are you rushing around, you are more likely to make mistakes and you end up as your own worst enemy. Just not worth it.

deezo · Post by **deezo** » 12 Nov 2019, 17:06

Make sure you have your rep with you and accurate notes are taken. Also, bear in mind it's a "fact finding interview", you're not there to give opinions; just the facts.

short bloke · Post by **short bloke** » 12 Nov 2019, 17:46

Hi P5aul789

Firstly get your rep involved, if you don't have one contact your area rep or branch (assuming your in the union). you are entitled to representation at this meeting and you shouldn't attend without a rep or at least a friend.
Secondly, the 3 c's should be being used, if this is only the second time you failed to scan a COD box( which although important is not the end of the world), when you did it the first time were you coached, if so this should only be a counseling session, which can and maybe should involve a line manager and a coach and a discussion around why you have missed scanning the box twice. but unless your constantly doing it, not a matter for a fact finding. and if you were not coached the first time, meaning a dated and signed at the time coaching form filled in and in your file, I E they started the 3c's process at that time, a little chat does not count. this should be only a coaching session.
I also think like stated above, unless you were constantly failing to scan the box it should be a matter for the 3c's and if you a new entrant being new should also get you some slack. good luck, and like someone said stop rushing around, that's how you make mistakes.

p5aul789 · Post by **p5aul789** » 12 Nov 2019, 18:06

Gasman11 wrote:Sorry to sound unsympathetic but why are you rushing around, you are more likely to make mistakes and you end up as your own worst enemy. Just not worth it.

When i got back to the DO, someone was locking up and i was rushing to get stuff out of the trolley, 739's etc to quickly take upstairs.

I should have scanned the barcode first but forgot!

GT85 · Post by **GT85** » 12 Nov 2019, 19:07

The pda shouldn't of let you log out of it without completing the consolidation scan back at the office.

Jeppol · Post by **Jeppol** » 14 Nov 2019, 18:32

Don't make the massive mistake I made on a fact finding meeting I had this year...not taking a union rep into the meeting with you. Thought I knew best & they had nothing on me but ended up with a 2 year suspended dismissal after a 30 year unblemished record.Lesson learned the hard way.

Ciderboy1957 · Post by **Ciderboy1957** » 14 Nov 2019, 19:29

Jeppol wrote:Don't make the massive mistake I made on a fact finding meeting I had this year...not taking a union rep into the meeting with you. Thought I knew best & they had nothing on me but ended up with a 2 year suspended dismissal after a 30 year unblemished record.Lesson learned the hard way.

Been there pal , a shower of vindictive c___

norris9 · Post by **norris9** » 14 Nov 2019, 21:21

Makes me question working for RM and working in this job much longer. Never worked somewhere where mistakes can be treated so harshly.

Would be scary having a mortgage, kids etc...

Interested-seeker · Post by **Interested-seeker** » 18 Nov 2019, 22:19

norris9 wrote:Makes me question working for RM and working in this job much longer. Never worked somewhere where mistakes can be treated so harshly.

Would be scary having a mortgage, kids etc...

Totally agree. RM seem to take a very harsh approach.

par4mrl · Post by **par4mrl** » 20 Jul 2021, 14:48

And yet you can tik tok videos in jest of leaving a no answer docket without giving the customer time to reply and get the complete backing from Royal Mail as it ticks all the boxes from the person to the publicity…..quite pathetic really

twoloops · Post by **twoloops** » 20 Jul 2021, 16:35

Just to add to all of the above, just tell the truth, don’t try & concoct some story & sign nothing your not happy with.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 20 Jul 2021, 16:47

Doing it twice has raised a Royal Mail chomping at the bit to conduct red flag.
In any other industry, you would have been pulled in and reminded to sort it out ect, a bit of a clip round the ear.

We had a situ round my way once when a gal was suspended for accidentally leaving a really floppy 1 page type addressed flyer in the frame, it was stuck right at the back, she had a week walking around the office suspended.
Until the area rep got involved and the manager got an earful from above.

Post by **greengiant** » 20 Jul 2021, 20:29

POSTMAN wrote: ↑
20 Jul 2021, 16:47
Doing it twice has raised a Royal Mail chomping at the bit to conduct red flag.
In any other industry, you would have been pulled in and reminded to sort it out ect, a bit of a clip round the ear.

We had a situ round my way once when a gal was suspended for accidentally leaving a really floppy 1 page type addressed flyer in the frame, it was stuck right at the back, she had a week walking around the office suspended.
Until the area rep got involved and the manager got an earful from above.

Nowadays there is mail lying in frames and in trays on the floor for days on end.....

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