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Agreement reached on Average Holiday Pay, Resourcing and the reintroduction of Postal Cadets.

All the LTB'S and latest discussion threads on getting extra holiday payments when going on holiday for those who work above their contracted hours.For part-timers 'and' full-timers.
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Agreement reached on Average Holiday Pay, Resourcing and the reintroduction of Postal Cadets.

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🚨BREAKING NEWS: Agreement reached on Average Holiday Pay, Resourcing and the reintroduction of Postal Cadets.

Please share this podcast with DGSP Terry Pullinger as far and wide as possible.

We will bring you more details updates on each agreement in the coming days and weeks.

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Re: Agreement reached on Average Holiday Pay, Resourcing and the reintroduction of Postal Cadets.

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Like SA there will be two lump sums every year.
Backdated for two years.
No more details until the final documents are disclosed.
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
09 Jun 2021, 18:23
Like SA there will be two lump sums every year.
Backdated for two years.
No more details until the final documents are disclosed.
No time to listen to the podcast as I’m heading out. I’m really confused as to how this works as the wording is a bit strange (I don’t know how SA works either).

Are they saying you’ll get backdated 2 years worth in 2 lump sums then going forward you’ll be paid average hours worked in your payslip?

Or backdated 2 years, then each holiday you just get your basic pay as usual, BUT twice a year you’ll get a lump sum of holiday pay?
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.

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HTPostman wrote:
09 Jun 2021, 18:30
Woody Guthrie wrote:
09 Jun 2021, 18:23
Like SA there will be two lump sums every year.
Backdated for two years.
No more details until the final documents are disclosed.
No time to listen to the podcast as I’m heading out. I’m really confused as to how this works as the wording is a bit strange (I don’t know how SA works either).

Are they saying you’ll get backdated 2 years worth in 2 lump sums then going forward you’ll be paid average hours worked in your payslip?

Or backdated 2 years, then each holiday you just get your basic pay as usual, BUT twice a year you’ll get a lump sum of holiday pay?

Absolutely no detail in podcast.
The devil will be in the detail.
So who knows?
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Re: Agreement reached on Average Holiday Pay, Resourcing and the reintroduction of Postal Cadets.

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You'll get two lump sum every year that will reflect the average OT you've done that year.

The two years back pay is separate from that.
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
09 Jun 2021, 18:34
You'll get two lump sum every year that will reflect the average OT you've done that year.

The two years back pay is separate from that.
Thank you WG. Will be interesting to see the criteria.
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Re: Agreement reached on Average Holiday Pay, Resourcing and the reintroduction of Postal Cadets.

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Another major question apart from eligibility is whether it will apply to the legal minimum 4 weeks covered by the EU directive or whether the union have managed to convince RM to cover the entire contractual holiday entitlement.

It does sound (and I might be wrong) reading between the lines that this may be limited up to full-time pay equivalent which could start a riot.

I'm only guessing because Terry only mentioned part-timers so who knows, we'll see in due course.
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
09 Jun 2021, 18:59
Another major question apart from eligibility is whether it will apply to the legal minimum 4 weeks covered by the EU directive or whether the union have managed to convince RM to cover the entire contractual holiday entitlement.

It does sound (and I might be wrong) reading between the lines that this may be limited up to full-time pay equivalent which could start a riot.

I'm only guessing because Terry only mentioned part-timers so who knows, we'll see in due course.
That's exactly my thinking.
This will only be for 4 weeks (which to fair would have been the judgement in court).
BUT- I bet my granny it will only be up to 37/8/9 hours, delete as applicable and what the 2 years covers.
We've been shafted you watch.
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They would still be breaking the law capping it at 37/38 hours so I doubt the union have gone for that. Devil will be in the detail as always.
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Going forward it could be capped, I doubt it would fly retrospectively but who knows.

I think listening to Terry the idea is that we become less and less reliant on overtime anyway so the real kicker is probably for those who like the flexibility of a part-time contract with the ability to make up their hours when they please or the docket kings because I think this time there will be a major cull on overtime.

If Terry is to be believed it will be a lot easier for a part-timer to be made up to full-time if they're working regular overtime and the business won't want too much of that going on.
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Been working 55+ hours for 8 years, continuous full timers left in this time, reps at all levels have tried to sort this out even with this new agreements it’s proved impossible. Any idea how I’d be able to directly contact Terry himself to make him aware of what is actually happening ?
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fezza34 wrote:
09 Jun 2021, 19:54
Been working 55+ hours for 8 years, continuous full timers left in this time, reps at all levels have tried to sort this out even with this new agreements it’s proved impossible. Any idea how I’d be able to directly contact Terry himself to make him aware of what is actually happening ?
This.
He talks about on the ground etc but this has been me for last 5 years.
Nothing done.
Does Terry even know this sort of thing goes on??
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Dexydog wrote:
09 Jun 2021, 20:04
fezza34 wrote:
09 Jun 2021, 19:54
Been working 55+ hours for 8 years, continuous full timers left in this time, reps at all levels have tried to sort this out even with this new agreements it’s proved impossible. Any idea how I’d be able to directly contact Terry himself to make him aware of what is actually happening ?
This.
He talks about on the ground etc but this has been me for last 5 years.
Nothing done.
Does Terry even know this sort of thing goes on??
Apparently he is aware that things on the ground do not necessarily reflect agreements made at the top level but again apparently he appears determined to rectify that.

Apparently.
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Don't we still have to vote on it?
I know the PT staff may be cheering but no matter what your contract is, average is the average be it 37 38 39 47 48 49 ...or more?
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Re: Agreement reached on Average Holiday Pay, Resourcing and the reintroduction of Postal Cadets.

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If the company was upfront and transparent about the whole getting rid of f/t contracts and replacing with p/t then I’d have no issue if that’s the direction they wanted. The annoying factor for me is the deception with it all, agreements being made that clearly don’t mean a thing , yet the union appear to believe its a victory of sorts. The bottom line is the agreements don’t hold up. Had numerous reps look into it now and they would clarify the issues which obviously surrounds thousands of members, Has terry got a contact email or number ?