Tabletop Revision figures

[SpacePhoenix]

Maybe the sorting plans will change? Just as a for instance, and completely off the top of my head, maybe the machines will be re-programmed so they can be 'loaded with 'real' mail at the front and 'DSA mail' at the back - in the same run - and as it scans the 'real' mail it'll remember those addresses? While that example may not be practical now (and may never be), perhaps it might, or there will be a cleverer solution.

One thing's for sure though, RM aren't going to be sending all the DSA mail manual, so something in MCs is going to change in a big way.

The "real mail" won't be finished running till around 05:30, you'd then be looking at the best part of an hour at the very minimum for the DSA to be run. By that point wave 2 will have already been run through the CSS machines. You'd probably be looking at around 30mins per batch for sequencing, so when you factor in the time needed to run it in that scenario, we're back to either it gets sent as manual or final dispatch times and therefore delivery attendance times are a minimum of an hour later

[Woody Guthrie]

I don't think there will be a wave 2.
Our "wave 2" is already just walk sorted.
Most of the time it's between 30 and 50 items.

[SpacePhoenix]

I don't think there will be a wave 2.
Our "wave 2" is already just walk sorted.
Most of the time it's between 30 and 50 items.

Over time more and more of or wave 2 batches are getting sequenced.

If the current wave 2 stuff is added to the DSA then you might well be looking at around 40mins per batch for the sequencing of the D+4 stuff. If RM are absolutely insistent on the D+4 stuff being sequenced, then I'm afraid there's no sugar-coating it, final dispatch times WILL be at least an hour later, so time you factor in the lorries getting stuck in traffic, the mail WILL arrive at least an hour later into DOs.

As it stands we won't have the mech trained staff for it to work and until social distancing ends, you've probably got no chance of anyone getting mech trained

[postslippete]

I don't think there will be a wave 2.
Our "wave 2" is already just walk sorted.
Most of the time it's between 30 and 50 items.

Over time more and more of or wave 2 batches are getting sequenced.

If the current wave 2 stuff is added to the DSA then you might well be looking at around 40mins per batch for the sequencing of the D+4 stuff. If RM are absolutely insistent on the D+4 stuff being sequenced, then I'm afraid there's no sugar-coating it, final dispatch times WILL be at least an hour later, so time you factor in the lorries getting stuck in traffic, the mail WILL arrive at least an hour later into DOs.

As it stands we won't have the mech trained staff for it to work and until social distancing ends, you've probably got no chance of anyone getting mech trained

So you may as well send the un-sequenced and D+4 stuff down to delivery offices and we will do what we can. Its simply not efficient to have posties stood around in a delivery office for an hour with nothing to do.

[SpacePhoenix]

I don't think there will be a wave 2.
Our "wave 2" is already just walk sorted.
Most of the time it's between 30 and 50 items.

Over time more and more of or wave 2 batches are getting sequenced.

If the current wave 2 stuff is added to the DSA then you might well be looking at around 40mins per batch for the sequencing of the D+4 stuff. If RM are absolutely insistent on the D+4 stuff being sequenced, then I'm afraid there's no sugar-coating it, final dispatch times WILL be at least an hour later, so time you factor in the lorries getting stuck in traffic, the mail WILL arrive at least an hour later into DOs.

As it stands we won't have the mech trained staff for it to work and until social distancing ends, you've probably got no chance of anyone getting mech trained

So you may as well send the un-sequenced and D+4 stuff down to delivery offices and we will do what we can. Its simply not efficient to have posties stood around in a delivery office for an hour with nothing to do.

Not worth sending it unsequenced/manual to DOs as probably half the DOs locally would just send it back to us, even though we'd then send it straight back to them as we wouln't have the staff available to run it. I don't know if our early shift even has any CSS trained staff anymore

[Cucumber]

One of the biggest issues I can see with the revisions, is that many offices haven't had one for many, many years (I've heard the figure of 10 years mentioned a few times), whereas other offices have constantly been having them over that period.
It took almost a decade (if not longer?) to introduce shared vans across the board, but we are expected to believe by October 2021 every office will have made the required changes? Not a chance.

[DGH]

we wouln't have the staff available to run it. I don't know if our early shift even has any CSS trained staff anymore

Well there's two things that could be changed for starters.

[SpacePhoenix]

we wouln't have the staff available to run it. I don't know if our early shift even has any CSS trained staff anymore

Well there's two things that could be changed for starters.

Not until social distancing ends so mid June at the very earliest is that we could have people go on training courses, and that's assuming that the staffing exists to be able to release them for the courses

[Ozzvaldo]

One of the biggest issues I can see with the revisions, is that many offices haven't had one for many, many years (I've heard the figure of 10 years mentioned a few times), whereas other offices have constantly been having them over that period.
It took almost a decade (if not longer?) to introduce shared vans across the board, but we are expected to believe by October 2021 every office will have made the required changes? Not a chance.

The last revision in my unit was in November 2010 when shared vans were introduced. The way that things have evolved over that period, we now have HCT duties that usually take less than 3 hours to do, while others take 4 and a half, and the van shares range between 4 hours and 5 and a half. Some slight differences there.

[DGH]

we wouln't have the staff available to run it. I don't know if our early shift even has any CSS trained staff anymore

Well there's two things that could be changed for starters.

Not until social distancing ends so mid June at the very earliest is that we could have people go on training courses, and that's assuming that the staffing exists to be able to release them for the courses

As the delivery office revisions won't be up and running for a wee while, I think RM might just be able to squeeze some training in before they 'go live' as it were.

[SpacePhoenix]

we wouln't have the staff available to run it. I don't know if our early shift even has any CSS trained staff anymore

Well there's two things that could be changed for starters.

Not until social distancing ends so mid June at the very earliest is that we could have people go on training courses, and that's assuming that the staffing exists to be able to release them for the courses

As the delivery office revisions won't be up and running for a wee while, I think RM might just be able to squeeze some training in before they 'go live' as it were.

It's all going to be down to when social distancing ends. Until then AFAIK there's no training courses for anything, anywhere. Once social distancing ends, the people who do the mech training will probably be able to resume doing training courses. There's bound to be a back-log of courses to be run. I don't know if any PSMs are due to go online within the next few months, but if there are, I'd imagine they'd jump the queue for training courses

[geoffr54]

Sorry but is this all getting a complicated/ we are getting distracted (as RM want) from the facts. Parcels are up - not 30% but about 100% - letters down but we are still delivering to the same houses with less mail. No mention of packets in any figures but these have increased by about 200%.Revision complete by October means trial changes over summer as before when it’s quiet so we get screwed when it gets busy in Autumn. Am I missing something but I smell another stitch up and you can’t expect the new recruits on temporary contracts to fight Can I trust the revision??

[aiden01]

Sorry but is this all getting a complicated/ we are getting distracted (as RM want) from the facts. Parcels are up - not 30% but about 100% - letters down but we are still delivering to the same houses with less mail. No mention of packets in any figures but these have increased by about 200%.Revision complete by October means trial changes over summer as before when it’s quiet so we get screwed when it gets busy in Autumn. Am I missing something but I smell another stitch up and you can’t expect the new recruits on temporary contracts to fight Can I trust the revision??

So are packets/parcels up 100% or 200% your not even sure.and they did finally admit in there last update letters had risen think you are a bit confused with your figures??

[geoffr54]

Parcels and packets are two different items Figures are my personal guess from own experience- haven’t counted exactly sorry if you want actuals- just my view

[SpacePhoenix]

Parcels and packets are two different items Figures are my personal guess from own experience- haven’t counted exactly sorry if you want actuals- just my view

Packets and parcels are the same, just two different names for the same thing. I believe they're officially known as parcels