Space Phoneix

[Martin Walsh]

Space you seem to want to scare delivery workers into the belief that economy Mail will mean that delivery offices will not be able to start until 9 .

The world of the pathway to change Agreement which has been what the future pipeline is going to be based is :

, we do not envisage any significant changes to the footprint of our existing delivery, mail centre and distribution networks, nor to the current dispatch, arrivals and out on delivery times for the joint delivery of letters and packets/parcels. Indeed, we see the existing networks as delivering more parcels over time and we view these as a distinct advantage over our competitors because it takes us closer to the customer.

We have agreed a 7 to 7 delivery window , dedicated parcel deliveries , LAT , Sunday Delivery, there really is no longer a need for a 9 - 5 delivery time. We have also opposed Royal Mail ceasing second class which was a suggestion in Off Coms December 2020 report which would have significantly changed mail centres attendance patterns.

[SpacePhoenix]

Space you seem to want to scare delivery workers into the belief that economy Mail will mean that delivery offices will not be able to start until 9 .

With the D+4 stuff, if the intention is for it to be sequenced, then after the inward sort plans have been run, it'll need to be run again to sort the ones due to be delivered from the ones being held. The ones being delivered then have to be sequenced, by that point, wave 2 will be finished. It's a simple case of either the final dispatches go out at least 2 hours later or the D+4 stuff will go through to DOs as manual. If the final dispatches end up being pushed back a couple of hours to allow for the sequencing of the D+4 stuff, how will it not end up changing attendance times for DOs?

[Martin Walsh]

Economy Mail is predicted to mean a call rate decline reduction of 10 percent , this is what has been factored into the structural revision process. The product introduction has led to previous scheduled mothballed CSS machines being bought back into the system. The aim will be that the items are kept on the CSS machine until another item which is due deliver triggers it. If no item is triggered until day 4 then it has to be delivered.

This is the first real attempt to stem letter decline and make DSA more compatible.

It is not going to change out on delivery times.

[SpacePhoenix]

The aim will be that the items are kept on the CSS machine until another item which is due deliver triggers it. If no item is triggered until day 4 then it has to be delivered.

It'll be going manual then as by the time that the inward sort plan has been run, wave 2 is just about finished. All mail that gets chucked out by the machine in stacker 20 on wave 2 goes as manual.

If they're to be held on any machine it will be on the iLSMs/IMPs.You won't know what DPs have already got letters until the inward plan has been run, so to sort the stuff with mail for a DP you'd have to run it through the inward plan again. There's simply not the time to do that without pushing the final dispatches back.

The CSS machines that were used by our former MPU are long gone (they've probably been scrapped by now) and they won't have the space as another DO has moved into them, which will have taken up the space where their CSS machines were located

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The aim will be that the items are kept on the CSS machine until another item which is due deliver triggers it. If no item is triggered until day 4 then it has to be delivered.

It'll be going manual then as by the time that the inward sort plan has been run, wave 2 is just about finished. All mail that gets chucked out by the machine in stacker 20 on wave 2 goes as manual.

If they're to be held on any machine it will be on the iLSMs/IMPs.You won't know what DPs have already got letters until the inward plan has been run, so to sort the stuff with mail for a DP you'd have to run it through the inward plan again. There's simply not the time to do that without pushing the final dispatches back.

The CSS machines that were used by our former MPU are long gone (they've probably been scrapped by now) and they won't have the space as another DO has moved into them, which will have taken up the space where their CSS machines were located

So in nutshell you can't see how MCs are going to change but you think deliveries will.

[SpacePhoenix]

The aim will be that the items are kept on the CSS machine until another item which is due deliver triggers it. If no item is triggered until day 4 then it has to be delivered.

It'll be going manual then as by the time that the inward sort plan has been run, wave 2 is just about finished. All mail that gets chucked out by the machine in stacker 20 on wave 2 goes as manual.

If they're to be held on any machine it will be on the iLSMs/IMPs.You won't know what DPs have already got letters until the inward plan has been run, so to sort the stuff with mail for a DP you'd have to run it through the inward plan again. There's simply not the time to do that without pushing the final dispatches back.

The CSS machines that were used by our former MPU are long gone (they've probably been scrapped by now) and they won't have the space as another DO has moved into them, which will have taken up the space where their CSS machines were located

So in nutshell you can't see how MCs are going to change but you think deliveries will.

Do deliveries want the D+4 stuff sequenced (which is probably a very sizeable chunk of what gets done on wave 1) or do they want final dispatch times kept the same? They can't have it both ways, if they want it sequenced then we need the time to be able to have the iLSMs/IMPs extract the stuff to be sequenced and then to sequence it on our CSS machines (and that's assuming that we have the staff, we're borderline for having enough mech trained staff as it is)

[Manboat]

Space, is everything apart from 1st and 2nd class pretty much dsa mail and potentially able to go on this d+4 product.

[SpacePhoenix]

Space, is everything apart from 1st and 2nd class pretty much dsa mail and potentially able to go on this d+4 product.

AFAIK it's just DSA that could use it. Next time you're throwing your wave 1 sequenced off, keep a mental note of how much of it is DSA, that'll be potentially all the stuff that could end up going over to the D+4 product

[Manboat]

I’m part time so it’s all in when I come in and I just see 1st and 2nd class and other mail which I class all as dsa. I’m just concerned that this product ( which from Royal Mails point of view totally makes sense) is gonna leave us with hardly any mail to do most days of the week by holding it back. I was told to just take 1st and 2nd class out recently and it must of been about 30% of mail at the most. Even with all the parcels i was finished extremely early and went back and did parcels off other failing rounds which is fair enough but if the work wasn’t there then what.

[wallan]

Space you seem to want to scare delivery workers into the belief that economy Mail will mean that delivery offices will not be able to start until 9 .

The world of the pathway to change Agreement which has been what the future pipeline is going to be based is :

, we do not envisage any significant changes to the footprint of our existing delivery, mail centre and distribution networks, nor to the current dispatch, arrivals and out on delivery times for the joint delivery of letters and packets/parcels. Indeed, we see the existing networks as delivering more parcels over time and we view these as a distinct advantage over our competitors because it takes us closer to the customer.

We have agreed a 7 to 7 delivery window , dedicated parcel deliveries , LAT , Sunday Delivery, there really is no longer a need for a 9 - 5 delivery time. We have also opposed Royal Mail ceasing second class which was a suggestion in Off Coms December 2020 report which would have significantly changed mail centres attendance patterns.

It will be 1st Class thats Ceased , 2nd Class will be DAY B Intra , DAY C Distant

[citypostie]

The aim will be that the items are kept on the CSS machine until another item which is due deliver triggers it. If no item is triggered until day 4 then it has to be delivered.

It'll be going manual then as by the time that the inward sort plan has been run, wave 2 is just about finished. All mail that gets chucked out by the machine in stacker 20 on wave 2 goes as manual.

If they're to be held on any machine it will be on the iLSMs/IMPs.You won't know what DPs have already got letters until the inward plan has been run, so to sort the stuff with mail for a DP you'd have to run it through the inward plan again. There's simply not the time to do that without pushing the final dispatches back.

The CSS machines that were used by our former MPU are long gone (they've probably been scrapped by now) and they won't have the space as another DO has moved into them, which will have taken up the space where their CSS machines were located

Who should I listen to? A high up union bid who has been involved in negotiating the new deal and knows the inner workings that's going on or someone who has an agenda that always ends in a crap outcome for people on deliveries and nothing ever being able to change where he works?
Oh and you can happily send loads of mail down manual , we just have to spend more time sorting it and get out later so leave more mail in the office. A week of that and I'm sure something would change at the mail centre. It did when they started sending our 2nd wave non sequenced so everyone used it as an excuse to get out later and leave stuff at Christmas

[citypostie]

The aim will be that the items are kept on the CSS machine until another item which is due deliver triggers it. If no item is triggered until day 4 then it has to be delivered.

It'll be going manual then as by the time that the inward sort plan has been run, wave 2 is just about finished. All mail that gets chucked out by the machine in stacker 20 on wave 2 goes as manual.

If they're to be held on any machine it will be on the iLSMs/IMPs.You won't know what DPs have already got letters until the inward plan has been run, so to sort the stuff with mail for a DP you'd have to run it through the inward plan again. There's simply not the time to do that without pushing the final dispatches back.

The CSS machines that were used by our former MPU are long gone (they've probably been scrapped by now) and they won't have the space as another DO has moved into them, which will have taken up the space where their CSS machines were located

Who should I listen to? A high up union bod who has been involved in negotiating the new deal and knows the inner workings that's going on or someone who has an agenda that always ends in a crap outcome for people on deliveries and nothing ever being able to change where he works?
Oh and you can happily send loads of mail down manual , we just have to spend more time sorting it and get out later so leave more mail in the office. A week of that and I'm sure something would change at the mail centre. It did when they started sending our 2nd wave non sequenced so everyone used it as an excuse to get out later and leave stuff at Christmas

[SpacePhoenix]

Who should I listen to? A high up union bod who has been involved in negotiating the new deal and knows the inner workings that's going on or someone who has an agenda that always ends in a crap outcome for people on deliveries and nothing ever being able to change where he works?
Oh and you can happily send loads of mail down manual , we just have to spend more time sorting it and get out later so leave more mail in the office. A week of that and I'm sure something would change at the mail centre. It did when they started sending our 2nd wave non sequenced so everyone used it as an excuse to get out later and leave stuff at Christmas

It's a simple case of either it'll get sent as manual or the final dispatches will be at least a couple of hours later to allow the time required to sequence it, there's no sugar coating it. Frankly people have got their head in the sand over how the D+4 product is going to shake things up

[postslippete]

Before we had these CSS machines we had more full-time staff on IPS available to manually sort the letters including dedicated night staff

If we have to revert back to sorting more stuff manually then maybe, just maybe, our start times could be earlier rather than later. I can't see this happening because every time our hours change we always seem to start later.

Regarding wave 2 mech its seems absolutely pointless to run it through the machine 3 times in order to get it sequenced if theres only half a trays worth of mail. And just imagine how many hours could be saved in processing if they didn't have to run the second wave. You will just have to spend more time polishing the belts with a toothbrush

[postslippete]

And please remember to take out the green, yellow and blue cards before you send the mech across