Time to Renegotiate

[SpacePhoenix]

Lots of computer says no on this thread....

We finish our current wave 2 around 05:30. If all the DSA gets put by for being run after that then you're looking at some DOs not getting their final mail through till after 13:00. If there's a lot of DSA then you could be looking at an extra couple of hours on the top of that.

[wallan]

Lots of computer says no on this thread....

We finish our current wave 2 around 05:30. If all the DSA gets put by for being run after that then you're looking at some DOs not getting their final mail through till after 13:00. If there's a lot of DSA then you could be looking at an extra couple of hours on the top of that.

Your basing every thing on current arrival times
Think what time you would Finish in you had only one class of Mail 2nd Cl ,& every thing , apart from Specials was in the office by 2200 / Mdt
i.e Mondays postings from Distant M C ,s was available for processing at the start of your shift on Tues night ,
If they dropped 1st Cl , that could be the situation

[SpacePhoenix]

Lots of computer says no on this thread....

We finish our current wave 2 around 05:30. If all the DSA gets put by for being run after that then you're looking at some DOs not getting their final mail through till after 13:00. If there's a lot of DSA then you could be looking at an extra couple of hours on the top of that.

Your basing every thing on current arrival times
Think what time you would Finish in you had only one class of Mail 2nd Cl ,& every thing , apart from Specials was in the office by 2200 / Mdt
i.e Mondays postings from Distant M C ,s was available for processing at the start of your shift on Tues night ,
If they dropped 1st Cl , that could be the situation

I can't see RM doing away with Tracked 24, it's probably not going to be too much longer before we process more Tracked than non-Tracked packets. I think they'd more likely have everything processed during the day with that scenario. Probably with no runs from MCs to DOs before about 07:00 so massive savings on shift allowances and DOs being 9-5. Possibly with absolutely all collections, apart from bulk collections from big posters being done by DOs

[TrueBlueTerrier]

DOs don't have fixed deadlines for getting work out the door, MCs and RDCs do have fixed deadlines, when a lorry is due to depart

Incorrect

[wallan]

Lots of computer says no on this thread....

We finish our current wave 2 around 05:30. If all the DSA gets put by for being run after that then you're looking at some DOs not getting their final mail through till after 13:00. If there's a lot of DSA then you could be looking at an extra couple of hours on the top of that.

Your basing every thing on current arrival times
Think what time you would Finish in you had only one class of Mail 2nd Cl ,& every thing , apart from Specials was in the office by 2200 / Mdt
i.e Mondays postings from Distant M C ,s was available for processing at the start of your shift on Tues night ,
If they dropped 1st Cl , that could be the situation

I can't see RM doing away with Tracked 24, it's probably not going to be too much longer before we process more Tracked than non-Tracked packets. I think they'd more likely have everything processed during the day with that scenario. Probably with no runs from MCs to DOs before about 07:00 so massive savings on shift allowances and DOs being 9-5. Possibly with absolutely all collections, apart from bulk collections from big posters being done by DOs

There will be an overnight premium service as now ,
Will the Tracked 24 items of Shoe Box size and over circulate via the New Hubs ? , if yes , then it has been said that these items will not arrive at the Inward M C untill aprox 10 AM

[SpacePhoenix]

I can't see RM doing away with Tracked 24, it's probably not going to be too much longer before we process more Tracked than non-Tracked packets. I think they'd more likely have everything processed during the day with that scenario. Probably with no runs from MCs to DOs before about 07:00 so massive savings on shift allowances and DOs being 9-5. Possibly with absolutely all collections, apart from bulk collections from big posters being done by DOs

There will be an overnight premium service as now ,
Will the Tracked 24 items of Shoe Box size and over circulate via the New Hubs ? , if yes , then it has been said that these items will not arrive at the Inward M C untill aprox 10 AM

As far as we'll be concerned in processing, they won't exist as they'll likely get sent direct to the DOs, only setting foot in the MC long enough to be wheeled off the artic to the lorries taking them to the DOs (the lorries taking them to the DOs will have to be provided by the DOs)

[DGH]

It's just possible that the way mail comes into mail centres and the entire way mail centres work will be as radically revised as operations in delivery offices are going to be. The idea that mail centres will roll on in basically the same way as now is quaint, and sort of endearing.

[SpacePhoenix]

It's just possible that the way mail comes into mail centres and the entire way mail centres work will be as radically revised as operations in delivery offices are going to be. The idea that mail centres will roll on in basically the same way as now is quaint, and sort of endearing.

As more and more stuff gets automated in MCs, eventually it'll reach a point where RM will know on a given day exactly what stuff there is for a given walk. At that point I can see RM axing fixed walks, with all walks being dynamically generated.

I wouldn't be surprised to see in the long term letters and flats drop down to 2 or maybe even just 1 day a week. If I consider all the letters and flats that I personally have received over the last year, not one needed to be next day, probably once a week would have done. If that were to happen then RM could look at investing in machines that can sort all letters and flats together (they already exist, offered by many different manufacturers), then they might get rid of all frames in DOs completly

[Dexydog]

As more and more stuff gets automated in MCs, eventually it'll reach a point where RM will know on a given day exactly what stuff there is for a given walk. At that point I can see RM axing fixed walks, with all walks being dynamically generated.

I wouldn't be surprised to see in the long term letters and flats drop down to 2 or maybe even just 1 day a week. If I consider all the letters and flats that I personally have received over the last year, not one needed to be next day, probably once a week would have done. If that were to happen then RM could look at investing in machines that can sort all letters and flats together (they already exist, offered by many different manufacturers), then they might get rid of all frames in DOs completly
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I get that, I really do, and the cost savings do seem compelling from a business point of view.
Here's the caveat- presumably to accommodate this they will try and merge 2, maybe 3 walks into 1.
So how many miles walking would that be?
Secondly, how on earth is that going to work when you get bulk postings- I've had maybe 5 or 6 every house in last few weeks, even with warm calling there'll come a point where they just won't have the staff to get it out on time.
I know March is traditionally a busy week month for this, but add Christmas on and you have 2 months a year where it just won't be possible.

[SpacePhoenix]

Here's the caveat- presumably to accommodate this they will try and merge 2, maybe 3 walks into 1.
So how many miles walking would that be?

You won't have fixed walks, the system will generate a walk based on what's coming into the DO on that day, so for example one day you might have 500 dps on your walk, the next day might be quiter so you might have 700 dps on your walk. The day after that it might be busier that the first day so you might only have 450 dps on your walk.

Secondly, how on earth is that going to work when you get bulk postings- I've had maybe 5 or 6 every house in last few weeks, even with warm calling there'll come a point where they just won't have the staff to get it out on time.
I know March is traditionally a busy week month for this, but add Christmas on and you have 2 months a year where it just won't be possible.

Don't forget that RM is looking at cutting the number of days that letters and flats are delivered on. Xmas cards have really dropped in number in recent years. In the past we'd need two CFCs running to handle them, we only needed one this year and even then it wasn't running for the whole shift like it would have done in previous years

[Dexydog]

Here's the caveat- presumably to accommodate this they will try and merge 2, maybe 3 walks into 1.
So how many miles walking would that be?

You won't have fixed walks, the system will generate a walk based on what's coming into the DO on that day, so for example one day you might have 500 dps on your walk, the next day might be quiter so you might have 700 dps on your walk. The day after that it might be busier that the first day so you might only have 450 dps on your walk.

Secondly, how on earth is that going to work when you get bulk postings- I've had maybe 5 or 6 every house in last few weeks, even with warm calling there'll come a point where they just won't have the staff to get it out on time.
I know March is traditionally a busy week month for this, but add Christmas on and you have 2 months a year where it just won't be possible.

Don't forget that RM is looking at cutting the number of days that letters and flats are delivered on. Xmas cards have really dropped in number in recent years. In the past we'd need two CFCs running to handle them, we only needed one this year and even then it wasn't running for the whole shift like it would have done in previous years

I understand your point, however I was trying to say that multiple bulk postings won't be deliverable- I get there might not be fixed walks, but to achieve this it will mean cutting walkmen to the bone.
Who then is going to deliver bulk postings when they come in?
You cut the number of days (if ofcom will allow), you're going to have pretty bulky bundles in your hand for 4 or 5 hours.
I get that change is coming, and in some ways I welcome it, but there's only so much a human can physically do in a day.

[SpacePhoenix]

Here's the caveat- presumably to accommodate this they will try and merge 2, maybe 3 walks into 1.
So how many miles walking would that be?

You won't have fixed walks, the system will generate a walk based on what's coming into the DO on that day, so for example one day you might have 500 dps on your walk, the next day might be quiter so you might have 700 dps on your walk. The day after that it might be busier that the first day so you might only have 450 dps on your walk.

Secondly, how on earth is that going to work when you get bulk postings- I've had maybe 5 or 6 every house in last few weeks, even with warm calling there'll come a point where they just won't have the staff to get it out on time.
I know March is traditionally a busy week month for this, but add Christmas on and you have 2 months a year where it just won't be possible.

Don't forget that RM is looking at cutting the number of days that letters and flats are delivered on. Xmas cards have really dropped in number in recent years. In the past we'd need two CFCs running to handle them, we only needed one this year and even then it wasn't running for the whole shift like it would have done in previous years

I understand your point, however I was trying to say that multiple bulk postings won't be deliverable- I get there might not be fixed walks, but to achieve this it will mean cutting walkmen to the bone.
Who then is going to deliver bulk postings when they come in?
You cut the number of days (if ofcom will allow), you're going to have pretty bulky bundles in your hand for 4 or 5 hours.
I get that change is coming, and in some ways I welcome it, but there's only so much a human can physically do in a day.

Chances are that the majority of, if not all bulk postings will end up moving over to the D+4 product

[Woody Guthrie]

You won't have fixed walks, the system will generate a walk based on what's coming into the DO on that day, so for example one day you might have 500 dps on your walk, the next day might be quiter so you might have 700 dps on your walk. The day after that it might be busier that the first day so you might only have 450 dps on your walk.

I'm sorry SP but you're showing your lack of knowledge about the delivery side of the operation.

You simply can't resource to that level and at that late stage unless they made us all casuals and I suspect the mail centres would go down that route long before delivery.

I like that you use your imagination to come up with various weird and wacky different ways to attack delivery while maintaining the strange position that processing can't change the most minor of things but most of what you are guessing at is unworkable, not because delivery won't change but that any changes would have to make the operation more productive and at the same time be physically workable and most of yours fail on both counts.

[Dexydog]

You only have to see the difference when a walk is left for even 1 day.
Ok it doesn't take twice as long the next day, but it sure as hell is much harder work, it's literally double everything, including smaller packets.
Add a bulk posting into the mix and the wheels come off pretty quickly.
What RM might want, and what is actually achievable are miles apart.

[SpacePhoenix]

You simply can't resource to that level and at that late stage unless they made us all casuals and I suspect the mail centres would go down that route long before delivery.

We're probably already a long way down that road already, I reckon "proper" RM staff must be outnumbered by at least 2:1 every day now. It's probably only a matter of time before RM start doing the same for deliveries.

I like that you use your imagination to come up with various weird and wacky different ways to attack delivery while maintaining the strange position that processing can't change the most minor of things but most of what you are guessing at is unworkable, not because delivery won't change but that any changes would have to make the operation more productive and at the same time be physically workable and most of yours fail on both counts.

Processing will change, as time goes on, more and more of the work we do will be automated, so probably within about 5 years chances are that all remaining staff will probably be agency/casuals (or a VERY HIGH %).

The more processing is automated, the more data RM will have about what each walk has. It's only a matter of time before RM start acting on the data. Manual letters and flats have dropped off massively over the last few years. Just 2 or 3 people needed for most of the night.

I think more MC closures will be inevitable in the medium term, as the parcel hubs take more and more work away from MCs over time. You can get systems that can sort parcels down to walk level, that's a tech that I can see RM looking at eventually