Time to Renegotiate

[clashcityrocker]

What if it sends the D4 mail because you have "proper" mail as well but you have to redirect all that "proper" mail.
Do you still deliver the D4 mail or not?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

If the yorks weren't condensed then it'd mean extra runs so your final dispatches would be latter so DOs would have to start later. That would mean greater costs of both fuel and staffing.

I didn't say don't condense. I said plan the condensing with the DO. Ad Hoc condensing and delaying ALL the mail because there is no plan will cause delays in vans and staff. I am fairly certain 1 extra wagon and 1 extra LGV driver is far cheaper than extended delivery on 50 duties and 25 vans.

I'll reiterate, the plan has to be flexible, cost effective and efficient for the whole of the Business, not just the Mail Centre, or just the DO. Otherwise you are saving money that is wasted later on.

It's no good sticking the smalls onto the large, they'll just fall out of the yorks and smalls and large are separate mail streams for Tracked 24, Tracked 48, 1C/24 and 2C/48.

NMo the drivers condense and there are such things as mail bags. Put the small tracked into them, iand then put with the large items already onboard. At the moment its thrown into the letters and flats, which in my DO are sorted and prepped in different locations.

You should see the state of the yorks that we received from other MCs, smalls and large mixed together, often with normal 1st and 2nd class (and not just one layer but spread throughout he sleeve).

So again its down to MCs being efficient for themselves and themselves alone, but it costs the MC further down the line more resources and more time. I am not saying it shouldn't be done, but the whole pipeline needs addressing. Royal Mail processes are currently stuck in 80s and unless we modernise and make processing/delivering more efficient and cost effective end to end then we won't be able to compete with couriers

[SpacePhoenix]

I didn't say don't condense. I said plan the condensing with the DO. Ad Hoc condensing and delaying ALL the mail because there is no plan will cause delays in vans and staff. I am fairly certain 1 extra wagon and 1 extra LGV driver is far cheaper than extended delivery on 50 duties and 25 vans.

Good luck trying to find a lorry (you'll have to wait for another lorry to arrive back) or a driver (AFAIK all ours are scheduled to finish upon arrival back at the MC)

NMo the drivers condense and there are such things as mail bags. Put the small tracked into them, iand then put with the large items already onboard. At the moment its thrown into the letters and flats, which in my DO are sorted and prepped in different locations.

During most of the night condensing is down by mail stream, it's only at the end of the night when they might get mixed up. The time to get mail bags is time that we simply don't have. As probably 85-90% of the mail we get in from other MCs is in yorks and sleeves, we don't have access to many mail bags anyway as they'll be trapped in by other stored equipment and 2C and T48

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I didn't say don't condense. I said plan the condensing with the DO. Ad Hoc condensing and delaying ALL the mail because there is no plan will cause delays in vans and staff. I am fairly certain 1 extra wagon and 1 extra LGV driver is far cheaper than extended delivery on 50 duties and 25 vans.

Good luck trying to find a lorry (you'll have to wait for another lorry to arrive back) or a driver (AFAIK all ours are scheduled to finish upon arrival back at the MC)

NMo the drivers condense and there are such things as mail bags. Put the small tracked into them, iand then put with the large items already onboard. At the moment its thrown into the letters and flats, which in my DO are sorted and prepped in different locations.

During most of the night condensing is down by mail stream, it's only at the end of the night when they might get mixed up. The time to get mail bags is time that we simply don't have. As probably 85-90% of the mail we get in from other MCs is in yorks and sleeves, we don't have access to many mail bags anyway as they'll be trapped in by other stored equipment and 2C and T48

Spacephoneix I think you are missing my point. It needs to change I am making suggestions as to how it can. Saying "good luck to finding another lorry" reinforces what's wrong with the system now.

In simple words, Royal Mail is reactive and its cheaper in the long run to be pro-active.

[SpacePhoenix]

Spacephoneix I think you are missing my point. It needs to change I am making suggestions as to how it can. Saying "good luck to finding another lorry" reinforces what's wrong with the system now.

In simple words, Royal Mail is reactive and its cheaper in the long run to be pro-active.

It will change (eventually), all DO runs will probably eventually be done using 17tonners and any DO that can't handle one will either get closed and merged into one that can or moved to a new build (probably on an industrial estate away from the area they cover).

Do you really think RM will get a couple of extra lorries in when there's the chance that they could be stood for a few days at a time unused?

AFAIK there's a national shortage of drivers (not just RM), some of our current 7.5 tonner drivers are processing staff who've moved over to distribution

[TrueBlueTerrier]

No shortage of drivers here - we had 3 excess 600s today.

Can't fit a full artic in here and they have been trying to move us since 1980 to me certain knowledge. In fact we are not fully deployed when we were meant to be one of the first back in 2010. As I say, they need to become reactive and adapt to the situation thinking all DOs operate the same and have the same environment is reactive, not proactive.

The whole pipeline has to be efficient not just certain parts. Sometimes condensing will be the most efficient solution, but not always. PPPPPPP.

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[SpacePhoenix]

No shortage of drivers here - we had 3 excess 600s today.

Can't fit a full artic in here and they have been trying to move us since 1980 to me certain knowledge. In fact we are not fully deployed when we were meant to be one of the first back in 2010. As I say, they need to become reactive and adapt to the situation thinking all DOs operate the same and have the same environment is reactive, not proactive.

The whole pipeline has to be efficient not just certain parts. Sometimes condensing will be the most efficient solution, but not always. PPPPPPP.

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A 17 tonner isn't an artic, think of them as being kinda like a "stretch 600". Do the 600s that arrive at your place reverse into your yard?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

No shortage of drivers here - we had 3 excess 600s today.

Can't fit a full artic in here and they have been trying to move us since 1980 to me certain knowledge. In fact we are not fully deployed when we were meant to be one of the first back in 2010. As I say, they need to become reactive and adapt to the situation thinking all DOs operate the same and have the same environment is reactive, not proactive.

The whole pipeline has to be efficient not just certain parts. Sometimes condensing will be the most efficient solution, but not always. PPPPPPP.

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A 17 tonner isn't an artic, think of them as being kinda like a "stretch 600". Do the 600s that arrive at your place reverse into your yard?

I know - I used to have a C+E licence I know the difference that's why I said Artic.

Yes both the 15 yorkie ones and the 21 Yorky ones have to reverse.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The reason I keep posting here, and I am sure it's not intentional, but your responses seem to be saying that the DOs have to accept whatever happens and the MCs can't/won't change. As I said I don't think that's your intention, but it is frustrating to keep hearing, we can't do that, that won't happen.

You said we don't have time to go and get bags - simple solution store some nearby. In other words, managers should plan for situations and have solutions ready. They shouldn't just dump it on Delivery Offices ad hoc, our time and resource constraints are just as tight as MCs.

Just today, our last tracked/large/specials wagon should be at the office by 0700 hours. 3 arrived between 7 and 7:30, with no communication that there were on the way - this meant that we had 1 team trying to process them, and another team in the same space trying to organise their vans - it was chaos and it could have been made easier with some simple communication from the mail centre.

Bloody hell the RAF did it in the Battle of Britain, I can't see why RM can't have an electronic wireless 4G tote board system to communicate with their DOs and feeder/feeding MCs. Just that one simple thing could save literally millions over just a few years. On the other side of the coin, Monday, we had 4 people standing around for an hour because we had no idea when the next truck was coming, and the manager would not let us go and do other work, just in case it turned up. (5 hours wasted right there for lack of communication).

[Woody Guthrie]

The whole network from NDCs through Mailcentres and distribution and DOs right down to the little SPDOs will be changing in the next three years due to the change in focus of the business.

Shift patterns, drivers, vehicles, real estate, start times, full-time /part-time mix, everything including the USO.

Anyone who thinks that because things are a certain way now these changes won't work isn't seeing the big picture, anything that doesn't fit the new strategy will be altered to fit or if it can't be it will be binned.

That is the reality of the situation.

[SpacePhoenix]

The reason I keep posting here, and I am sure it's not intentional, but your responses seem to be saying that the DOs have to accept whatever happens and the MCs can't/won't change. As I said I don't think that's your intention, but it is frustrating to keep hearing, we can't do that, that won't happen.

You said we don't have time to go and get bags - simple solution store some nearby. In other words, managers should plan for situations and have solutions ready. They shouldn't just dump it on Delivery Offices ad hoc,

Before we had the powered conveyors put in that would have been possible, now we simply don't have the space to store any. All space on the floor is already spoken for. We'd be fouling walkways

our time and resource constraints are just as tight as MCs.

DOs don't have fixed deadlines for getting work out the door, MCs and RDCs do have fixed deadlines, when a lorry is due to depart

Just today, our last tracked/large/specials wagon should be at the office by 0700 hours. 3 arrived between 7 and 7:30, with no communication that there were on the way - this meant that we had 1 team trying to process them, and another team in the same space trying to organise their vans - it was chaos and it could have been made easier with some simple communication from the mail centre.

Bloody hell the RAF did it in the Battle of Britain, I can't see why RM can't have an electronic wireless 4G tote board system to communicate with their DOs and feeder/feeding MCs. Just that one simple thing could save literally millions over just a few years. On the other side of the coin, Monday, we had 4 people standing around for an hour because we had no idea when the next truck was coming, and the manager would not let us go and do other work, just in case it turned up. (5 hours wasted right there for lack of communication).

That could be sorted by having tracking on all RM 7.5 and 17 tonners. AFAIK RM can see at any time where any given artic is located. Once a lorry has departed a MC or RDC, there's nothing that the MC or RDC can do. If there's bad traffic on the roads, there's very limited scope for diversions especially so for double-stacker artics between RDCs and between RDCs and MCs

[SpacePhoenix]

anything that doesn't fit the new strategy will be altered to fit or if it can't be it will be binned.

I can see walk sequencing getting axed if RM want the D+4 thing to work, either that or ALL DOs start at least 2-3 hours later (possibly 9-5)

[Woody Guthrie]

I can see walk sequencing getting axed if RM want the D+4 thing to work,

The D+4 thing relies on walk sequencing to work...

[SpacePhoenix]

I can see walk sequencing getting axed if RM want the D+4 thing to work,

The D+4 thing relies on walk sequencing to work...

Well you'll need to get used to starting at least 2-3 hours later as we'll need the time to sequence it, otherwise it'll go as manual. You'll effectively have 3 waves each day, the D+4 stuff will be a third wave

[claretandblue]

Lots of computer says no on this thread....