Time to Renegotiate

[DGH]

I wonder if RM are possibly looking at having all D2D delivered on Mondays. DSA doesn't get processed in MCs at weekends anymore so that reduces the amount of mail for Mondays (especially letters and flats)

That would mean Monday would need to be a very long day indeed. So I think it's unlikely.

[SpacePhoenix]

I wonder if RM are possibly looking at having all D2D delivered on Mondays. DSA doesn't get processed in MCs at weekends anymore so that reduces the amount of mail for Mondays (especially letters and flats)

That would mean Monday would need to be a very long day indeed. So I think it's unlikely.

If RM ultimately succeed in getting the USO cut back then they might have them all delivered in one day, possibly drivers doing the parcels and walkers doing the D2D

[Manboat]

As long as there’s mail to deliver and even if the uso was cut to every other day surely the most efficient and cost effective way would be to deliver the d2d’s with the mail (warm call them) can’t see them wanting it done any other way. I am still curious to see this economy mail product in full effect and how bad it could look in delivery offices with a lack of mail in the frames, I know you don’t think it can be done from a mail centre point of view without it impacting on the time Mail gets to offices but if it does go well then I’m thinking they could reduce staffing this way and not even need to downgrade the uso to get staffing down and save money. Just my thoughts and hope I’m wrong.

[SpacePhoenix]

As long as there’s mail to deliver and even if the uso was cut to every other day surely the most efficient and cost effective way would be to deliver the d2d’s with the mail (warm call them) can’t see them wanting it done any other way.

Will there be enough work on parcel only days for BOTH walkers and drivers?

I am still curious to see this economy mail product in full effect and how bad it could look in delivery offices with a lack of mail in the frames, I know you don’t think it can be done from a mail centre point of view without it impacting on the time Mail gets to offices but if it does go well then I’m thinking they could reduce staffing this way and not even need to downgrade the uso to get staffing down and save money. Just my thoughts and hope I’m wrong.

We don't finish our inward sort plan till around 05:30, until then you don't know which DPs don't have mail so you can't extract the DSA mail for the ones that don't until then. By that time as it stands the DSA mail will have been sequenced so then DO staff will have to extract the mail themselves, the alternative would be for all mech to revert to being just walk sort only, it'd take too long to sequence it (approx 40mins per batch)

[wallan]

As long as there’s mail to deliver and even if the uso was cut to every other day surely the most efficient and cost effective way would be to deliver the d2d’s with the mail (warm call them) can’t see them wanting it done any other way.

Will there be enough work on parcel only days for BOTH walkers and drivers?

I am still curious to see this economy mail product in full effect and how bad it could look in delivery offices with a lack of mail in the frames, I know you don’t think it can be done from a mail centre point of view without it impacting on the time Mail gets to offices but if it does go well then I’m thinking they could reduce staffing this way and not even need to downgrade the uso to get staffing down and save money. Just my thoughts and hope I’m wrong.

We don't finish our inward sort plan till around 05:30, until then you don't know which DPs don't have mail so you can't extract the DSA mail for the ones that don't until then. By that time as it stands the DSA mail will have been sequenced so then DO staff will have to extract the mail themselves, the alternative would be for all mech to revert to being just walk sort only, it'd take too long to sequence it (approx 40mins per batch)

I still think they are going to Drop 1st Class Mail , 2nd Class will be enhanced to " Intra " being Next Day Delivery , the rest as now Day C
If you want Next Day Delivery for Other than " Intra" you will have to use a Premium Service

[TrueBlueTerrier]

We don't finish our inward sort plan till around 05:30, until then you don't know which DPs don't have mail so you can't extract the DSA mail for the ones that don't until then. By that time as it stands the DSA mail will have been sequenced so then DO staff will have to extract the mail themselves, the alternative would be for all mech to revert to being just walk sort only, it'd take too long to sequence it (approx 40mins per batch)

Another alternative is for Royal mail to change the process.

The process should not be based on how the Mail Centres works, or how the Delivery Office works, but what is most efficient and cost-effective over all.

If Royal Mail ever addresses that it will mean massive changes for EVERYONE.

A just for instance - Mail centres "condense" items when they can't get them all on a wagon. This makes sense for the MC, but when it gets to the DO it takes 3 times longer to separate and process and can have a knock effect.

There is an argument there that "condensing" is neither cost-effective nor efficient overall, but that also misses the point. Condensing should happen when it is needed, but there needs to better communication between the DO and the MC, and perhaps more importantly, it needs to be planned, and the plan adhered to.

By plan, I mean do not mix tracked and 1stclass together just to get it to the DO, mix it with the oversize if that's the plan. Not just lump it in anywhere without telling the destination DO.

[Woody Guthrie]

The plan is for the D+4 to be sequenced last and if the system tells the machine there's already mail for that address it goes through, if not it is held at the mail centre for the next day.

I'm only telling you the plan, not whether it will work.

[Manboat]

As long as there’s mail to deliver and even if the uso was cut to every other day surely the most efficient and cost effective way would be to deliver the d2d’s with the mail (warm call them) can’t see them wanting it done any other way.

Will there be enough work on parcel only days for BOTH walkers and drivers?

I am still curious to see this economy mail product in full effect and how bad it could look in delivery offices with a lack of mail in the frames, I know you don’t think it can be done from a mail centre point of view without it impacting on the time Mail gets to offices but if it does go well then I’m thinking they could reduce staffing this way and not even need to downgrade the uso to get staffing down and save money. Just my thoughts and hope I’m wrong.

We don't finish our inward sort plan till around 05:30, until then you don't know which DPs don't have mail so you can't extract the DSA mail for the ones that don't until then. By that time as it stands the DSA mail will have been sequenced so then DO staff will have to extract the mail themselves, the alternative would be for all mech to revert to being just walk sort only, it'd take too long to sequence it (approx 40mins per batch)

Will there be enough work on parcel only days for BOTH walkers and drivers?

Would depend on how many non drivers there was, office location etc.. but even then non drivers doing close to the office with a hct wouldn’t be getting that much in their trolley would they. Maybe be some indoor work they could do too. May not even happen, might get what they want with economy mail and probably Saturday mail going eventually

[SpacePhoenix]

We don't finish our inward sort plan till around 05:30, until then you don't know which DPs don't have mail so you can't extract the DSA mail for the ones that don't until then. By that time as it stands the DSA mail will have been sequenced so then DO staff will have to extract the mail themselves, the alternative would be for all mech to revert to being just walk sort only, it'd take too long to sequence it (approx 40mins per batch)

Another alternative is for Royal mail to change the process.

The process should not be based on how the Mail Centres works, or how the Delivery Office works, but what is most efficient and cost-effective over all.

If Royal Mail ever addresses that it will mean massive changes for EVERYONE.

A just for instance - Mail centres "condense" items when they can't get them all on a wagon. This makes sense for the MC, but when it gets to the DO it takes 3 times longer to separate and process and can have a knock effect.

There is an argument there that "condensing" is neither cost-effective nor efficient overall, but that also misses the point. Condensing should happen when it is needed, but there needs to better communication between the DO and the MC, and perhaps more importantly, it needs to be planned, and the plan adhered to.

By plan, I mean do not mix tracked and 1stclass together just to get it to the DO, mix it with the oversize if that's the plan. Not just lump it in anywhere without telling the destination DO.

If the yorks weren't condensed then it'd mean extra runs so your final dispatches would be latter so DOs would have to start later. That would mean greater costs of both fuel and staffing.

It's no good sticking the smalls onto the large, they'll just fall out of the yorks and smalls and large are separate mail streams for Tracked 24, Tracked 48, 1C/24 and 2C/48.

You should see the state of the yorks that we received from other MCs, smalls and large mixed together, often with normal 1st and 2nd class (and not just one layer but spread throughout he sleeve).

The plan is for the D+4 to be sequenced last and if the system tells the machine there's already mail for that address it goes through, if not it is held at the mail centre for the next day.

I'm only telling you the plan, not whether it will work.

It'll just go manual as by that time wave 2 will be nearly finished. No idea how they intend to account for manual letters, flats (not many MCs have FSMs) and packets (not many MCs have PSMs)

[wallan]

The plan is for the D+4 to be sequenced last and if the system tells the machine there's already mail for that address it goes through, if not it is held at the mail centre for the next day.

I'm only telling you the plan, not whether it will work.

What happens if there is Fully Paid NON Mech Items for the address

[Dexydog]

As usual with RM this will be a big balls up.
My DOM was explaining to me this morning how we will be offering an economy service where an item goes through the system over 3 days, if on the first 2 days the machine knows that address due delivery, it releases it to the Do on the third day.
That's great I said to him, but less efficient potentially- I might be going on the 2nd day with a packet or manually sorted piece of mail, but not on the 3rd day when the magic machine finally decides to release it. So now I/m going 2 days in a row when before I didn't need to.
He looked at me blankly.
As always the theory is better than what actually happens.
And that's before all the other pitfalls posted before this.
The most stupid part is, they think they will save time and money doing it- they won't- and their lovely revision process will no doubt be based on those "savings".
End result?- we still can't complete and round we go again.

[Woody Guthrie]

The plan is for the D+4 to be sequenced last and if the system tells the machine there's already mail for that address it goes through, if not it is held at the mail centre for the next day.

I'm only telling you the plan, not whether it will work.

What happens if there is Fully Paid NON Mech Items for the address

The thought process is that manual mail only makes up around 6-8% of your daily call rate so the odds are against and addresses that get a lot of manual mail also tend to get more sequenced as well.

Again I'm not saying it's a good idea.

[Dexydog]

I reckon there's a packet for at least 1 in maybe 10-15 houses, add in your non mech, that's got to be more than 6-8% total hasn't it?

[SpacePhoenix]

I reckon there's a packet for at least 1 in maybe 10-15 houses, add in your non mech, that's got to be more than 6-8% total hasn't it?

Including Tracked?

[Dexydog]

Add those on ,too. And specials, covid kits, customer collections.
While we're at it, the luke warm calls on double slots, seeing as that's another car crash waiting to happen.
By the time you're finished what's the point of continually running mail round the system?
I wouldn't put it past them to continue doing it through xmas as well.