How are things likely to change?

[Woody Guthrie]

There have been loads of issues at our depot with part-timers working from home especially when full-timers are doing all the prepping, bundling everything up and then taking everything back to the office whilst the part-timer finishes at home.

I can't see the scope for issues IF there's time in your shift to do it. If there isn't and you don't want the overtime then give them something back.

It's all just work, the idea that it's not your work or it's somebody else's work is you have to admit pretty weak.

If the issue is that the part-timer isn't working their hours that might not feel fair but ultimately it's not really anything to do with you.

[postslippete]

No its down to management to solve these problems

[Cucumber]

There have been loads of issues at our depot with part-timers working from home especially when full-timers are doing all the prepping, bundling everything up and then taking everything back to the office whilst the part-timer finishes at home.

I can't see the scope for issues IF there's time in your shift to do it. If there isn't and you don't want the overtime then give them something back.

It's all just work, the idea that it's not your work or it's somebody else's work is you have to admit pretty weak.

If the issue is that the part-timer isn't working their hours that might not feel fair but ultimately it's not really anything to do with you.

I agree mostly with the part in bold, but this is RM we are talking about. In an ideal world the hours lost by staff starting/finishing remotely would be written off, but management can and will put the squeeze on those in the office to take up the slack, on top of whatever other work they need to do to get the duties sorted and loaded into van.
People are only human and it's not surprising some noses are out of joint when jobs that used to work as a 'team' have 20-25% difference in actual hours worked.

[scoobydo79]

My views are biased due to manager asking Me if I could lapse as I drive but the part timer being excused as He cycles out to meet Me. Oh Yes and as I’m out there doing My lapsing would I mind doing the other guys as I’m out their anyway.Needles to say I did neither.

[crimson king]

My views are biased due to manager asking Me if I could lapse as I drive but the part timer being excused as He cycles out to meet Me. Oh Yes and as I’m out there doing My lapsing would I mind doing the other guys as I’m out their anyway.Needles to say I did neither.

Exactly this ^^^

On all my rotates I am paired with a non driving full timer who lives on the walk, who walks or catches the bus to their first loop. I, as the driver, am then expected to drop off all their bags at their house.

Then I'm expected to do all the oversized, including the ones for their side of the duty, empty all the boxes and then, an hour in sometimes, I can start my bags....knowing that they are already two loops in.

And then, when I'm finished, I'm expected to go and do their lapsing as well as mine and return to the DO while they've been indoors for an hour and a half.

This ,of course, doesn't happen anymore now that I've protested and vocally pointed out the discrepancies, but many in the DO are still working like this.

The 'new working normal' has been very good for some.

[Zicomurphy]

My views are biased due to manager asking Me if I could lapse as I drive but the part timer being excused as He cycles out to meet Me. Oh Yes and as I’m out there doing My lapsing would I mind doing the other guys as I’m out their anyway.Needles to say I did neither.

Exactly this ^^^

On all my rotates I am paired with a non driving full timer who lives on the walk, who walks or catches the bus to their first loop. I, as the driver, am then expected to drop off all their bags at their house.

Then I'm expected to do all the oversized, including the ones for their side of the duty, empty all the boxes and then, an hour in sometimes, I can start my bags....knowing that they are already two loops in.

And then, when I'm finished, I'm expected to go and do their lapsing as well as mine and return to the DO while they've been indoors for an hour and a half.

This ,of course, doesn't happen anymore now that I've protested and vocally pointed out the discrepancies, but many in the DO are still working like this.

The 'new working normal' has been very good for some.

If they are taking all their bags inside their house I’d imagine they are leaving themselves wide open to get in trouble. I’d be amazed if it’s official policy that they can do that and, like most of these kind of things, management will turn a blind eye and even encourage it until something goes wrong and then deny all knowledge that they were aware it was happening.

[crimson king]

My views are biased due to manager asking Me if I could lapse as I drive but the part timer being excused as He cycles out to meet Me. Oh Yes and as I’m out there doing My lapsing would I mind doing the other guys as I’m out their anyway.Needles to say I did neither.

Exactly this ^^^

On all my rotates I am paired with a non driving full timer who lives on the walk, who walks or catches the bus to their first loop. I, as the driver, am then expected to drop off all their bags at their house.

Then I'm expected to do all the oversized, including the ones for their side of the duty, empty all the boxes and then, an hour in sometimes, I can start my bags....knowing that they are already two loops in.

And then, when I'm finished, I'm expected to go and do their lapsing as well as mine and return to the DO while they've been indoors for an hour and a half.

This ,of course, doesn't happen anymore now that I've protested and vocally pointed out the discrepancies, but many in the DO are still working like this.

The 'new working normal' has been very good for some.

If they are taking all their bags inside their house I’d imagine they are leaving themselves wide open to get in trouble. I’d be amazed if it’s official policy that they can do that and, like most of these kind of things, management will turn a blind eye and even encourage it until something goes wrong and then deny all knowledge that they were aware it was happening.

Aye, it's all hunky dory as long the mail's clearing and until something goes wrong.

Then it's the OPG's fault.

[citypostie]

We will be back in the vans together soon anyway. Some people have had a cushy year out of the situation there's no denying that!

[Grumpyoldmailman]

According to our rep this morning they are looking at taking a minimum of 15% of the duty’s out of our office, obviously they are going to try for more.

[Sugar]

According to our rep this morning they are looking at taking a minimum of 15% of the duty’s out of our office, obviously they are going to try for more.

Everyone in a DO who's been through a big revision before damn well knows RM are going to go rip out the maximum amount of duties possible purely on a cost cutting initiative. It seems that only the union top brass are blind to this

[scoobydo79]

According to our rep this morning they are looking at taking a minimum of 15% of the duty’s out of our office, obviously they are going to try for more.

Everyone in a DO who's been through a big revision before damn well knows RM are going to go rip out the maximum amount of duties possible purely on a cost cutting initiative. It seems that only the union top brass are blind to this

No some of the postmen are blind to it as well.We have quite a few who like to race round and skip their breaks and go home 2 1/2 hours early on a regular basis.Those hours will add up and be taken out of the office thanks to some F wits

[stodgy88]

According to the list posted on revisions ours says august,is this the completion date ,and if so when is the soonest any changes are likely to be implemented thanks.

[Dorset Plodder]

According to our rep this morning they are looking at taking a minimum of 15% of the duty’s out of our office, obviously they are going to try for more.

I'd be surprised if they were quoting figures of 15% Does your DO actually have that much spare time ... Honestly? You say they'll probably try for more.

Normally they'll be looking for savings of approx 5% ..... and in my DO they don't normally get that.

[Dorset Plodder]

According to the list posted on revisions ours says august,is this the completion date ,and if so when is the soonest any changes are likely to be implemented thanks.

I'm not sure what list you're referring to Stodgy, but we've been told our TableTop Revisions aren't due to "Go Live" until Oct

I suppose Aug is do-able (that's 6 months away), depending on wether it's a Full Revision, or TableTop, and the size of the DO.

Sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. We've got a lot of Duties groaning with the workload and quite a few "Runners" that'll be taking the piss for nearly another year!

[Dorset Plodder]

No some of the postmen are blind to it as well.We have quite a few who like to race round and skip their breaks and go home 2 1/2 hours early on a regular basis.Those hours will add up and be taken out of the office thanks to some F wits

Totally Agree Scooby And I believe it'll get worse with the Clocking In/Out system. The data captured won't just be aimed at single duties .... even though some individuals may be finishing 2 1/2 hours early .... it'll be aimed at the DO in general.

In this example they'll say, "Well that Delivery Office can save 2 1/2 hours" and they'll divide it amongst ALL the duties. (In a small SPDO of say 10 duties they'll be knocking 15 mins of ALL the Duties and the "Runner" will only be finishing 2 1/4 hours early).

As usual we think we'll be getting one thing ..... and we end up getting something else. I just wish Management would be up front about things before we start, and not just wait fo the "Big Reveal" With us all stood around thinking,"Bloody Hell... Tricked Again"