Time to Renegotiate

[renrag40]

Has anyone found Martin Walshs dummy? He appears to have spat it out.

[aiden01]

Has anyone found Martin Walshs dummy? He appears to have spat it out.

Without him you or me would have no idea whats going on so hopefully he hasnt. why are you so annoyed if he has???

[renrag40]

Has anyone found Martin Walshs dummy? He appears to have spat it out.

Without him you or me would have no idea whats going on so hopefully he hasnt. why are you so annoyed if he has???

Is that not an indictment in itself? To say that without Martin Walsh coming on here we wouldn’t have a clue what was going on. Why are we kept in the dark by OUR union? What have they got to hide?
I’m not annoyed, far from it. I basically couldn’t careless if he has or he hasn’t. I just find it amusing that he expects everyone to be slapping the PEC on the back about this deal that they have negotiated and when some on here have the barefaced audacity to start asking questions he decides to take his ball home and he’s not playing anymore....... oh sorry ..... let me correct myself...... they still have in large part to negotiate on 24 important outstanding issues ...... but they expected the membership to blindly accept without knowing what they are accepting........ which as it turned out about 48% did....... 4% didn’t....... the remaining 48% couldn’t even be arsed to vote........ while the hierarchy of the union are passing out the party poppers and celebrating with RM management their resounding success they may care to reflect up...... just why did 48% of the membership not bother to vote on such an important agreement?

[Jack1960]

Has anyone found Martin Walshs dummy? He appears to have spat it out.

I've heard Martin Walsh speak at various meetings, I can't think of a more thoughtful and incisive rep, he knows his stuff and his knowledge of Weighted items /work hour is second to none.
I have learnt more from his posts on this forum then the stuff put out by HQ. He is way ahead in his thinking andi don't understand the criticism he gets

[Woody Guthrie]

Has anyone found Martin Walshs dummy? He appears to have spat it out.

I've heard Martin Walsh speak at various meetings, I can't think of a more thoughtful and incisive rep, he knows his stuff and his knowledge of Weighted items /work hour is second to none.
I have learnt more from his posts on this forum then the stuff put out by HQ. He is way ahead in his thinking andi don't understand the criticism he gets

Martin's loyalty to the members in his division is never under question.
I'm not surprised you guys reciprocate that loyalty.
It is however a national union.

Martin receives criticism for his unwavering defence of the national position on paper while at the same time making sure that the national position affects his members as little as possible. If I were one of his members I would probably think he was the dogs bollocks as well but you cannot expect the rest of the membership to feel the same way.

I do not however condone posts like the one above who think that because he isn't posting on here every 5 minutes he's obviously in a huff, the guy's got a life and this site is not the centre of anyone's universe.

[Frankie15]

I've never met Martin and probably never will but I can tell the guy clearly cares and believes in the union. We all have issues with the union or with the way we think they go about their business so to speak. So bitchy comments towards him are just petty. Instead of wondering where he is or where a so called dummy is, why can't people have their debates in an adult way. We're in for some real difficult months in our working lives. Grow up!!!

[aiden01]

I've never met Martin and probably never will but I can tell the guy clearly cares and believes in the union. We all have issues with the union or with the way we think they go about their business so to speak. So bitchy comments towards him are just petty. Instead of wondering where he is or where a so called dummy is, why can't people have their debates in an adult way. We're in for some real difficult months in our working lives. Grow up!!!

I'm beginning to wonder has renrag40 spat his dummy out

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Has anyone found Martin Walshs dummy? He appears to have spat it out.

Way to encourage him back if he had done so.

Hopefully, you are aware that we an not an official line of communication and no-one, not even reps, have any obligation to post on here. It is entirely voluntary and if he keeps getting flack is it entirely surprising if he decides it's not worth it.

[renrag40]

I've never met Martin and probably never will but I can tell the guy clearly cares and believes in the union. We all have issues with the union or with the way we think they go about their business so to speak. So bitchy comments towards him are just petty. Instead of wondering where he is or where a so called dummy is, why can't people have their debates in an adult way. We're in for some real difficult months in our working lives. Grow up!!!

z


I'm beginning to wonder has renrag40 spat his dummy out

No Aiden. I've not spat my dummy out. Nor have I taken my ball home and I'm still coming out to play.

[aiden01]

I've never met Martin and probably never will but I can tell the guy clearly cares and believes in the union. We all have issues with the union or with the way we think they go about their business so to speak. So bitchy comments towards him are just petty. Instead of wondering where he is or where a so called dummy is, why can't people have their debates in an adult way. We're in for some real difficult months in our working lives. Grow up!!!

z


I'm beginning to wonder has renrag40 spat his dummy out

No Aiden. I've not spat my dummy out. Nor have I taken my ball home and I'm still coming out to play.

Obviously martin has'nt either as he is online now ..

[barrychuckle]

Fair play we all love a dreamer but most of us who have negotiate the impact from the agreement have to deal in the realities and Royal Mail have been lucky to have seen a revenue windfall but it is on parcels and tracked which is not as automated as they wanted and of course parcels occur extra costs from hiring outhouses etc.

It would also appear that Royal Mail has also received a windfall on letters amongst other things judging by today's revised profit announcement. In my view Royal Mail were very economical with the truth in the negotiations and the union was extremely gullible. Now we're stuck with an awful deal that doesn't reflect the true position of the company. Royal Mail haven't been lucky they just out thought and out negotiated the union.

[kevbo]

And this didn't all just become apparent yesterday it's been obvious for over a year now that their story of record losses didn't make any sense to anyone on the frontline.

[Martin Walsh]

Barry chuckle

You do know there is a difference between increase in revenue and increase in profit ?

Also the pay rise for 2020/21 and 1% for 2021/22 and the hour of the shorter working week which for part timers is worth 2.6% and for full timers increases the hourly rate which improves further pay rises.

The pay package and SWW is worth the 358 million which obviously makes a dent into the operating profit expectation from the whole of Royal Mail Group of 700 million very realistic.

You say how bad a deal , so you have the pay rise and back pay what are the bad things you have experienced so far and what are you expecting ? Let’s hear them and let’s see if they are further myths and rumours or facts ?

[DGH]

The main thing I'm worried about Martin is extended delivery times. Many of our deliveries are around 5 hours office to office (obviously a few are much shorter, others longer). I'm not convinced that even a 5.5 hour delivery span is sustainable, and yet with indoor work falling, it seems unlikely that current indoor hours are sustainable, even with another twelve minutes lost from every day. People will argue that other couriers do much longer delivery spans, which is true, but they also don't walk nearly as far as we do posting letters.

To be honest I'm also concerned that this new agreement will be f****d up at divisional/area level, just like every other agreement seems to have been ('four pillars' . . .)

[barrychuckle]

You do know there is a difference between increase in revenue and increase in profit ?

Is there? I don't know i'm just a hairy arsed postman of 35 years. I see it in basic layman's terms that when the negotiations were going on Royal Mail didn't have two ha'penny's to rub together this was a blatant lie that the union took as gospel.