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LTB 043/21 - KEY PRINCIPLES FRAMEWORK - THE PATHWAY TO CHANGE AGREEMENT (PAY ARRANGEMENTS)
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Post by TrueBlueTerrier » 05 Feb 2021, 13:30

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LTB 043/21 - KEY PRINCIPLES FRAMEWORK – THE PATHWAY TO CHANGE AGREEMENT (PAY ARRANGEMENTS)

No. 43/21

5th February 2021

Dear Colleagues,

KEY PRINCIPLES FRAMEWORK – THE PATHWAY TO CHANGE AGREEMENT (PAY ARRANGEMENTS)

Further to LTB 38/21 which confirmed the ballot result and endorsement of the above agreement, following dialogue with the business, details of the implementation of the two pay awards are reproduced below.

2020 – 2.7% Pay Award
2.7% uplift of weekly paid employees to commence from 22nd February 2021 and in February salaries for monthly paid employees. The uplift and arrears will be received at the same time by both weekly and monthly paid employees on pay date Friday 26th February 2021.

Colleagues will appreciate that the payroll team experience a very heavy workload at the start of April, including work related to the tax year end. In addition to this the 1% pay uplift coinciding with the Easter holidays has made it difficult to implement the weekly pay uplift from the start of April. The arrangements for this element of the pay award are detailed below.

2021 – 1.0% Pay Award
The 1% uplift will be implemented from week commencing 26th April 2021 for weekly paid employees. The revised pay rates and arrears will be in both monthly and weekly-paid employee’s pay packets on 30th April 2021 (backdated to the start of April).

The pay review and arrears will not apply to any former employee who left employment prior to the date of communication of the negotiators’ agreement on 18th December 2020.

Any enquiries in relation to the content of this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department.

Yours sincerely,



Terry Pullinger
Deputy General Secretary (Postal)


Wasn't hard to find !

[P13]

I think differently as I am influenced by UK employment law. You are entitled to the pay by law.

I can see why you believe the 18th comes into play - because your company told you.

It is mentioned nowhere in the agreement that I can read on here.

I can't find a different agreement.

No-on as yet can say why the 18th is important. It doesn't seem to be written anywhere.

I'm just trying to find out how you know. You are entitled to the full rate of pay payable for anytime you worked. There would have to be something to say otherwise - something other than - so and so at work said.

If I'd had a quid for everything I was told by an employee that turned out to be utter codswallop, I'd be pretty damn rich.

I need to know how you know to find out the situation. As it stands the money is payable.

The pay review and arrears will not apply to any former employee who left employment prior to the date of communication of the negotiators’ agreement on 18th December 2020. Hopefully that is black and white enough for you .

[burton76]

Thanks. I appreciate that but it doesn't really clear it up no!

If it is a condition of the agreement it should be in the agreement and it's not. That's just a memo!

But thanks anyway.

[burton76]

I just noticed your little sarky comments - wasn't hard to find!

Is that b&w enough for you.

Really appreciate your pleasantness. If you don't want to answer, obviously you're not obliged to.

And no, it isn't b&w enough! The RM cannot just decide it isn't payable.

[P13]

I just noticed your little sarky comments - wasn't hard to find!

Is that b&w enough for you.

Really appreciate your pleasantness. If you don't want to answer, obviously you're not obliged to.

And no, it isn't b&w enough! The RM cannot just decide it isn't payable.

A bit like you calling some colleagues advice codswallop

[Woody Guthrie]

No-on as yet can say why the 18th is important.

It's the day the negotiators agreement was concluded.
That's why it's important.

[yellowbelly]

I just noticed your little sarky comments - wasn't hard to find!

Is that b&w enough for you.

Really appreciate your pleasantness. If you don't want to answer, obviously you're not obliged to.

And no, it isn't b&w enough! The RM cannot just decide it isn't payable.

Unfortunately CWU have accepted it - I don't think CWU as an organisation will attempt to rectify this,
they're happy they've got a deal for current members and colleagues. Whether this is morally right is open to debate.

If any retired colleagues want to challenge it I think they'd have to go down the ACAS route.
Surely hiring own lawyer/solicitor would be prohibitively expensive?

[rambo1]

I just noticed your little sarky comments - wasn't hard to find!

Is that b&w enough for you.

Really appreciate your pleasantness. If you don't want to answer, obviously you're not obliged to.

And no, it isn't b&w enough! The RM cannot just decide it isn't payable.

Unfortunately CWU have accepted it - I don't think CWU as an organisation will attempt to rectify this,
they're happy they've got a deal for current members and colleagues. Whether this is morally right is open to debate.

If any retired colleagues want to challenge it I think they'd have to go down the ACAS route.
Surely hiring own lawyer/solicitor would be prohibitively expensive?

So is this another case of the cwu shafting the people who pay their wages? Even if you left the business in May last yr, you should be entitled to a months back pay , the same as the colleague you worked with who is still employed. It's back pay, paying you the pay rise for the time you worked.
It's discussing of the union if they stiched those up who have left before the magical December date.

[deltaforce]

Agreed. As a rule I’ve never been a union basher but in this case they have been morally underhanded. Just remember that some of those who no longer work for the company are in reduced circumstances, so how does Cwu square that with its values?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I think differently as I am influenced by UK employment law. You are entitled to the pay by law.

I can see why you believe the 18th comes into play - because your company told you.

It is mentioned nowhere in the agreement that I can read on here.

I can't find a different agreement.

No-on as yet can say why the 18th is important. It doesn't seem to be written anywhere.

I'm just trying to find out how you know. You are entitled to the full rate of pay payable for anytime you worked. There would have to be something to say otherwise - something other than - so and so at work said.

If I'd had a quid for everything I was told by an employee that turned out to be utter codswallop, I'd be pretty damn rich.

I need to know how you know to find out the situation. As it stands the money is payable.

LTB 043/21 - KEY PRINCIPLES FRAMEWORK – THE PATHWAY TO CHANGE AGREEMENT (PAY ARRANGEMENTS)

The pay review and arrears will not apply to any former employee who left employment prior to the date of communication of the negotiators’ agreement on 18th December 2020.

[stephen500]

TrueBlueTerrier

Your post is reassuring. Many people are peddling that you only get it if you were employed on the agreement date of 18th December 2020.

I don't think that is right and hope all former employees who are affected will claim the pay.

I cannot believe what I have just read.
I was a member of the UPW/CWU for around 42 years and have paid subs for all that time and this pops up from a friend.
The new pay aggreement is backdated to April 2020 and I left RM on 11th Dec 2020.
RM and CWU agree not to include any ex employee who left the business before 18th Dec 2020, resulting in the loss of around £367 after tax and Nat Ins for myself. A nice little saver for those who worked through a lot of the pandemic. My union agreed to this.
So glad I never took up the option of being a retired member.

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[stephen500]

Agreed. As a rule I’ve never been a union basher but in this case they have been morally underhanded. Just remember that some of those who no longer work for the company are in reduced circumstances, so how does Cwu square that with its values?

My own ex union as is said have shafted us.
Another socialist principle!
These people aren't socialists.
Stuff them. Once I left in December my CWU subs stopped and no body from the CWU even bothered to contact me (apart from a local rep as a friend, in casual conversation) to ask if I wanted to remain as a retired member. Well no, after around 42 years membership, I don't. I will save the money and over time get back the £367 lost in back pay.

[Schiff]

Surely the very least that the union should do is return the subs paid by these members since April, as they decided not to represent the interests of these particular members.

[stephen500]

Surely the very least that the union should do is return the subs paid by these members since April, as they decided not to represent the interests of these particular members.

Very good point.
Still I have saved CWU subs they may have got if I had decided to carry on as a retired member.
The funny thing is, that has never been part of any back dated pay agreement before. It is deliberate and nasty. I won't forget. Thanks Dave Ward and Terry.

[Jefferson Starfish]

I don't know whether back pay has been paid out to those who've left the business in previous agreements.
But if it hasn't in the past and it has this time, then overall that's better. Except for the few that have lost out due to exact dates.

Stephen500, you sound like a grown man throwing his toys out the pram to me!