Why isn't Mask policy being enforced?

[Caesar]

I've been looking into any government changes regarding the wearing of masks and it appears that nothing has changed.
If wearing a mask causes severe distress, I can't see what proof could be given apart forcing the non wearer to put on a mask and actually showing the distress. A letter from a doctor is still not a requirement.

[hazzeem025]

Will also RM/Union provide a health risk assessment for a long term use of mask wearing or they expect an employee to do one himself?
They will not do one as side effects are bigger than any benefits and therefore they hide behind the narrative that it is a law but refuse to inform about the side effects.

I've read some shite on here over the years but that is possibly the biggest pile of shite I've ever seen in print.

[Woody Guthrie]

The definitive legal position..

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[Caesar]

The definitive legal position..

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I think that this is written to sound like a new legal position but it's seems pretty much the same as it's always been. It isn't unreasonable/unlawful to "ask" for evidence but I think that it would be unreasonable/unlawful to demand evidence.
It talks about possible disciplinary action for failure to provide a satisfactory reason, this is totally different to having a reason with no supporting evidence.

[Schiff]

I've been looking into any government changes regarding the wearing of masks and it appears that nothing has changed.
If wearing a mask causes severe distress, I can't see what proof could be given apart forcing the non wearer to put on a mask and actually showing the distress. A letter from a doctor is still not a requirement.

A letter from a doctor CAN be required. Anyone with a severe mental illness that causes them such distress when their face is touched by a bit of cloth will, surely, have tried to get treatment for that mental illness via their GP.

[SpacePhoenix]

I've been looking into any government changes regarding the wearing of masks and it appears that nothing has changed.
If wearing a mask causes severe distress, I can't see what proof could be given apart forcing the non wearer to put on a mask and actually showing the distress. A letter from a doctor is still not a requirement.

A letter from a doctor CAN be required. Anyone with a severe mental illness that causes them such distress when their face is touched by a bit of cloth will, surely, have tried to get treatment for that mental illness via their GP.

Doctors aren't issuing letters to anyone and it's also illegal to ask (Equality Act)

[Schiff]

I've been looking into any government changes regarding the wearing of masks and it appears that nothing has changed.
If wearing a mask causes severe distress, I can't see what proof could be given apart forcing the non wearer to put on a mask and actually showing the distress. A letter from a doctor is still not a requirement.

A letter from a doctor CAN be required. Anyone with a severe mental illness that causes them such distress when their face is touched by a bit of cloth will, surely, have tried to get treatment for that mental illness via their GP.

Doctors aren't issuing letters to anyone and it's also illegal to ask (Equality Act)

It isn't illegal to ask or to request proof. This is what RM managers should be doing from Monday , and disciplinaries for those arseholes who have been faking their exemption. Hopefully P45s for gross misconduct.

[sindba]

I've been looking into any government changes regarding the wearing of masks and it appears that nothing has changed.
If wearing a mask causes severe distress, I can't see what proof could be given apart forcing the non wearer to put on a mask and actually showing the distress. A letter from a doctor is still not a requirement.

A letter from a doctor CAN be required. Anyone with a severe mental illness that causes them such distress when their face is touched by a bit of cloth will, surely, have tried to get treatment for that mental illness via their GP.

Doctors aren't issuing letters to anyone and it's also illegal to ask (Equality Act)

It is not illegal to ask.

They can ask for medical evidence for an exemption from RM footwear. So they can can ask for an exemption from (far more important) emergency face coverings.

And if your illness is so severe that you cannot possibly wear a mask, no doctor will refuse a note. If you're taking the piss they might.

[clashcityrocker]

This is too contagious and too deadly to be pissing about.
No mask = no entry to the workplace. No exceptions.

I don't care if people have hidden disabilities, if they are spreading this virus around the office then they are putting thousands of us at risk.
Furlough, sick or conduct as appropriate.
The CWU had the option to support the majority of us to work safely.
Dave Joyce woefully betrayed us. He should go.

[Caesar]

This is too contagious and too deadly to be pissing about.
No mask = no entry to the workplace. No exceptions.

I don't care if people have hidden disabilities, if they are spreading this virus around the office then they are putting thousands of us at risk.
Furlough, sick or conduct as appropriate.
The CWU had the option to support the majority of us to work safely.
Dave Joyce woefully betrayed us. He should go.

I would of thought that anybody who feels this way would have removed themselves from the office for the many months before face masks where required and stayed away until their office was totally safe.

It could also be argued that we are spreading this virus around the country just by working.

[Woody Guthrie]

Doctors aren't issuing letters to anyone and it's also illegal to ask (Equality Act)

I'm sure we've been through this before but the only thing that's unlawful under the Equality Act is discrimination based on protected characteristics.

To get to the point that you are claiming to be unlawful you would need to prove that being asked to provide evidence was in fact discriminatory.

There are no Equality police who come to your office and arrest managers, it's not a criminal matter it's a civil matter.

The only way you could seek any type of "justice" for any alleged breach in the Equality Act is by fronting up the money and taking your employer to an industrial tribunal once you've obviously been sacked and exhausted the internal process.

Now if anyone fancies going through the Employment Tribunal process because they were asked for evidence of exemption good luck but you'll lose because case law is stacked against you, an employer is only compelled to make reasonable adjustments once they have been made aware of a disability and that has always required evidence, doctors reports, OH advice and recommendations. That's only common f***ing sense.

The idea that the Equality Act will protect you just because you say you have a hidden disability is an insult to the many people who have fought to bring employers to book by providing mountains of evidence.

[Caesar]

My understanding is that the government have brought in these face mask rules and they say that no evidence is required. You can actually download an exemption card from their site but even this is optional and is not a requirement.
If you are able to perform your normal duties but can't wear a mask, this is all the information that an employer needs to make reasonable adjustments.
If theses reasonable adjustments involve changing your normal duties and these new duties involve doing something that a disability restricts you from doing, I'm sure that normal procedures would take place.

[Woody Guthrie]

Okay I'll put it in simple terms.
If your manager suspends you on Monday for refusing to provide evidence what's your next move?

[Schiff]

My understanding is that the government have brought in these face mask rules and they say that no evidence is required.

We aren't discussing government face mask policy. It is completely irrelevant.

We are talking about Royal Mail's mandatory PPE policy which involves wearing a facemask at work indoors. It has F all to do with any government rules.

[2yearpostie]

Okay I'll put it in simple terms.
If your manager suspends you on Monday for refusing to provide evidence what's your next move?

more over, if you have a genuine reason why wouldnt you provide evidence?