The biggest unknown is how Royal Mail are going to make the productivity and efficiency improvements they need to make to keep the shareholders off their back.SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑15 Jan 2021, 09:59With so many unknowns this s**t deal isn't worth the paper it's printed on
Martin,why are the union not telling us what is going on?Martin Walsh wrote: ↑15 Jan 2021, 07:25Neil no agreement will change the fact that less and less people are posting into collection boxes.
Royal Mail would love to simply remove those pillar boxes all together. However Of Com won’t allow them to. Hence why we have seen the growth in collections moving to delivery.
No union is going to achieve that collections duties continue collecting less than 50 items in a post box which less than 15 years ago would have been full.
Most of the post boxes had been tested with an electronic counter which records how many items have been posted into it over a reference period.
The difference with this agreement is that we are committed to looking at other aspects of growth in other areas which can help to not only protect jobs but also create them.
We have had LAT , covid test kits , consumer collect all will help protect jobs in both deliveries and collections.
There will be other opportunities such as local to local opportunities to capture growth.
In addition there will be circa 35 thousand pillar boxes still remaining with a collection post 16:00 on top of POL outlets and firms.
Rejecting this agreement won’t change the pillar boxes issue or the threat to collections moving forward it will simply mean that Royal Mail try and introduce PBS3 without the protections in this agreement and the pay and shorter working week.
A company which announced a loss of 187 million in November is not to going to allow collection drivers to collect an hand full of stamp letters from pillar boxes up to 7 per day.
This is why this agreement is titled Parhway to Change as it sets out a direction on how the company can capture more growth in parcels , attempt to sustain and tackle letter decline but also attempt to create new products especially in local to local solutions.
In addition it provides job security, key protections and principles as well as a pay deal up front and one in April along with a shorter working week.
The choice you will be making if your voting no is that you don’t want an agreement to cover you when they propose to reduce the number of collections require a post 16:00 collection.
As the company will not sit back from that change as they have significant evidence to identify those collection boxes who outside of the peak period especially during COVID gets less than 50 letters post per day.
you cannot mix figures in the same sentence, this at a quick glance looks like you're trying to imply we'll be working 4 hours less in octoberFor full timers it will mean that minus their meal reliefs they will work 34 hours per week on the same rate of pay as they did on 38.
Suppose it is dependent how strong the union is in your office?world class male wrote: ↑16 Jan 2021, 16:20please don't try to sugar coat points in the proposed agreement
you cannot mix figures in the same sentence, this at a quick glance looks like you're trying to imply we'll be working 4 hours less in octoberFor full timers it will mean that minus their meal reliefs they will work 34 hours per week on the same rate of pay as they did on 38.
you either include meal relief for both or delete the sentence
It will and some will do it willingly but proper recompense should be there for all and should attract pay increases inline of any future pay deals!world class male wrote: ↑16 Jan 2021, 18:13well i'm puzzled how we are expected to vote either way on a deal when there's supposed to be more ideas/issues yet to be resolved which can be added later?
i get that the cwu hq feel that they're getting the best possible deal for us and would urge members to wait until the very last minute for a yes or no vote, which is possible if online voting is done as said,
but how on earth can they expect us to vote either way without telling us the exact deal with no add-ons later
we've waited a very long time already for this deal and we need to know 100% ,
yes we get a pay rise, but the 1hr off later is a white elephant because absolutely nothing changed in our workload dropping from 39 to 38,
i for 1 will hold off in the hope terry & dave at least tell us details about the further talks and if we can get a further vote on it.
1 thing i noticed watching the "live video for deliveries" is that they absolutley insist that sunday working will be voluntary and when asked what if there's not enough staff offering he could only answer some will always fancy sundays!
just be honest with us and say that eventually sundays will become part of a regular working week for quite a few of us
Would you settle for Dave and Terry instead?world class male wrote: ↑16 Jan 2021, 20:56well if i had to vote today and nothing further is announced regarding the future add-ons i'd probably vote no
it's exactly like voting on a political party manifest which looks good but never materialises
yes we get our initial pay off to buy a new gas bbq but can't get the time to cook on it with the family
we need montgomery brewster in charge
Still waiting for my reply martin.why is there no information about collections or the other 23 points that have yet to be addressed.neil1969 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2021, 19:49Martin,why are the union not telling us what is going on?Martin Walsh wrote: ↑15 Jan 2021, 07:25Neil no agreement will change the fact that less and less people are posting into collection boxes.
Royal Mail would love to simply remove those pillar boxes all together. However Of Com won’t allow them to. Hence why we have seen the growth in collections moving to delivery.
No union is going to achieve that collections duties continue collecting less than 50 items in a post box which less than 15 years ago would have been full.
Most of the post boxes had been tested with an electronic counter which records how many items have been posted into it over a reference period.
The difference with this agreement is that we are committed to looking at other aspects of growth in other areas which can help to not only protect jobs but also create them.
We have had LAT , covid test kits , consumer collect all will help protect jobs in both deliveries and collections.
There will be other opportunities such as local to local opportunities to capture growth.
In addition there will be circa 35 thousand pillar boxes still remaining with a collection post 16:00 on top of POL outlets and firms.
Rejecting this agreement won’t change the pillar boxes issue or the threat to collections moving forward it will simply mean that Royal Mail try and introduce PBS3 without the protections in this agreement and the pay and shorter working week.
A company which announced a loss of 187 million in November is not to going to allow collection drivers to collect an hand full of stamp letters from pillar boxes up to 7 per day.
This is why this agreement is titled Parhway to Change as it sets out a direction on how the company can capture more growth in parcels , attempt to sustain and tackle letter decline but also attempt to create new products especially in local to local solutions.
In addition it provides job security, key protections and principles as well as a pay deal up front and one in April along with a shorter working week.
The choice you will be making if your voting no is that you don’t want an agreement to cover you when they propose to reduce the number of collections require a post 16:00 collection.
As the company will not sit back from that change as they have significant evidence to identify those collection boxes who outside of the peak period especially during COVID gets less than 50 letters post per day.
Why do I have to come on this site to find out what is happening with collections?
I've heard nothing locally or nationally but you expect me to agree with the deal.
I honestly think pullinger & ward are our equivalent to corbyn & abbott.
Would you settle for Dave and Terry instead?