Royal Mail's proposal to the CWU in October /Achim's letter to Terry

[toonshola]

There's that word again LOCAL
RM will use local solutions to extend delivery for weaker offices
Tried and tested practice which cwu will endorse
Should be national agreement for all
f***ing local solutions

to right , and we all know who gets the best out of LOCAL agreements dont we , so are we going to balloting locally or is this a national ballot then ?

London area will come out smelling of roses and that’s where all the rmtv videos are made. You know the ones I mean, smiling posties and shiny new vans. The rest of us can go to hell as far as the union and rm are concerned. As a 10 year part timer I’m dismayed there is nothing concrete in this agreement to make people like myself full time, even if it was late parcel shifts I would take it. But again nothing. Feels like I’ll be stuck on 25 hours for another 10 years.

[TheTrolleyMan]

Yeah any areas with poor CWU reps will be turned over ,VOTE NO TO LOCAL AGREEMENTS

[endofdays1982]

Guys on here are right to have a sigh of relief if they don't get 5 hour plus deliverys, up in Scotland we been shafted doing 5 hour plus for a while now and it's hard , injuries ,more tiring,seem to get shafted in my area ,

[postslippete]

Some of our duties are at least 5 and half. I think any revisions should be about bringing more duties in, and we get a SWW and extra bonus payments as well then that's deffo win-win

Oh wait,what was the 24 further phases of talks that still need to be agreed??

[Woody Guthrie]

The Delivery Guidelines which will be agreed by the end of January will not have 5 hour delivery spans in these guidelines.

Will these "Delivery Guidelines" be subject to a separate vote?
What exactly will they contain?
Are we voting blind?

This agreement is so vague and lacking in detail that it could be a great deal or a terrible deal depending on how it's interpreted by either side.

I doubt very much that Royal Mail have done a complete about face on their strategy so you have to believe that they think they can mould the agreement put to the membership into something closely resembling what they wanted in October. That’s only common sense.

The difference seems to be that they think it will be easier to accomplish in a piecemeal fashion by picking off areas using local agreements.

Are you comfortable with that Martin?
Is it what a trade union should strive for?

[Martin Walsh]

Woody we would not have reached the agreement we have without being convinced we have moved the company on all their previous positions on revisions.

No Mention of 100BSi
No standard 1 in 6
No pre determine savings
No pre determine start of finish times
No 5 hour delivery span

The guidelines will be about the following

1. Forecast model week as you can’t use it the CoVID period ,
2. Agreeing the reference period for hours and traffic to establish an offices WIPWH productivity
3. Whether an office is a structural or table top
4. Revision process
5. The FMO revision process
6. The range of performance
7. Dedicated parcel plan

The postal Executive have made sure throughout we would not accept Royal Mail’s delivery strategy and that enabled the union to move things on.

In every national agreement there is elements of further talks , there was in the 4 pillars , Agenda for Growth ,BT 2010!, Pay and Mod and pay and major change.

Some of these will be subject to further agreements and a ballot of the members , some will just be agreements ratified by the Postal executive who members have a vote on next year.

As one of those I have been consistently throughout my 36 years in the job , I want an agreement which is the best we can achieve and allows for local parties to negotiate based on the views of their members. This will range from start times , attendance patterns , where there meal reliefs is , their finish times , the hours part timers are contracted on , overtime she SAID levels.

You only have to read Royal Mail’s starting point on deliveries to what is now in the agreement to see how much the union has moved the company and the guidelines will not see any change back to their October plans.

[Woody Guthrie]

No Mention of 100BSi
No standard 1 in 6
No pre determine savings
No pre determine start of finish times
No 5 hour delivery span

The bulk of the country already works under those conditions Martin, how many disagreements were swept under the table in this latest truce, was it 300?

What did we win for those guys?
Are Royal Mail going to roll those conditions back?

[endofdays1982]

Martin can I ask a question,with revisions coming up is there a chance of voluntary redundancy for any old timers that want out? Probably would be fair with likely extended deliverys ,

[renrag40]

Martin can I ask a question,with revisions coming up is there a chance of voluntary redundancy for any old timers that want out? Probably would be fair with likely extended deliverys ,

Good luck trying to get a reply on that one.

[k979aaa]

Well it depends if your in a bastion or a free city as one the is not in a Festung I can see what damage can be done in a small amount of time in a free office environment with little or NO union opposition. I suppose the Royal Mail will content themselves with that for now. But in the long term it will just mean a blood bath later as it is evitable they want best practice across all areas of the business. You can fight a fight with us all now or be put to the sword later for that is the question a fight now or later for that is the question?

[billycat]

very happy with the agreement, pay rise, shorter working week, 5 hr delivery spans, I do that now most of the time except tue and sat which are shorter working days,i understand people who have smaller duties not looking forward to these changes, but the office I work at has around 3000 houses built in the last 4 years no new duties, the revisions will take out 0 hrs I can guarantee, and we are to become a LAT office.

[P13]

very happy with the agreement, pay rise, shorter working week, 5 hr delivery spans, I do that now most of the time except tue and sat which are shorter working days,i understand people who have smaller duties not looking forward to these changes, but the office I work at has around 3000 houses built in the last 4 years no new duties, the revisions will take out 0 hrs I can guarantee, and we are to become a LAT office.

Which agreement are you looking at , the one I have read says no 5 hour deliveries, each office will be delivering their own large parcels , and there are 24 points still to be negotiated so you will be voting blind on these points

[mags999]

any news on whether wallington 1 in 6 are to be removed are not could cause a lot of problems with people putting there holidays in for this year

[P13]

any news on whether wallington 1 in 6 are to be removed are not could cause a lot of problems with people putting there holidays in for this year

Martin Walsh says you can keep your innovative duty patterns

[mags999]

cheers for that