Sunday working

[citypostie]

To be voluntary (initially) interesting wording that has stirred up alot of negativity about this deal already

[Martin Walsh]

Your reading an extract of an LTB this is direct from the agreement

The approach to capturing parcel growth through maximising what is delivered with the core and the introduction of efficient dedicated parcel deliveries and Sunday deliveries (on a voluntary basis), where this is justified by customer needs and workload.

Royal Mail at the moment believe that there is unless our pay rate for Sunday changes that there is not a product worth advertising to the customer as very few people want to pay more for a product on a Sunday which they can get for less on the Monday.

This is why further talks are needed. But remember they will not be delivering letters , second class D2D on a Sunday it will only be express parcels or 1st class parcels if there was a market for it. To have a market one of two things must happen customers would have to want to pay more on a Sunday or that our rate on Sunday has to reduce but that would also mean the pipeline has to open.

[citypostie]

So as part of these revisions next year are they looking at putting parcel duties back into all offices ? Basically undoing what they did when we went to shared vans?

[Martin Walsh]

Dedicated parcels will really concentrate on 15% of parcels which is the larger than shoe box parcels.

85 percent of parcels will continue to be delivered on the core ie with letters.

[gary1975]

How big is a pair of shoes?, I’m sure it’s no coincidence I’ve started to see shoes and boots turn up in loose plastic bags

[yubin282]

How big is a pair of shoes?, I’m sure it’s no coincidence I’ve started to see shoes and boots turn up in loose plastic bags

Look at customer collections we now have to do, RM consider a shoebox to be a small parcel.

Hopefully the dedicated parcel duties will start later in the day, when we are out on delivery.

So we can avoid the arguments with the driver about what is an acceptable size parcel for us take.

JUST LIKE THE GOOD OL' DAYS

[POSTMAN]

Will the infamous PACKET TEMPLATE get a new lease of life?

[Cedar_Room]

Not interested in Sunday working myself,though would perhaps consider it if it was included in a favourable work pattern- however can see these hours being dished out between new starts (who I believe have Sunday working written into their contracts) & the docket kings.

Which ever way you look at it,it’s a great move for the business. Sunday is now a normal working day for a lot of people & customers expect their stuff to be delivered on the sabbath...

[freespeech]

But doesn't this say that it is voluntary in law?

https://www.gov.uk/sunday-working

Sunday working
Having to work on a Sunday depends on whether it’s mentioned in either the person’s:

employment contract
written statement of terms and conditions
A worker can’t be made to work on Sundays unless they agreed it with their employer and put it in writing (for example, changed the contract).

Employers only have to pay staff more for working on Sundays if it has been agreed as part of the contract.

[iainwilson]

We’ve done Sunday’s in Parcelforce for about 4 years now. It’s always been an overtime shift 630-2/230 latest and nobody is forced to do it.

[Manboat]

Is it extra money

[stephen500]

I have just spent 43 years of working for Royal Mail and for many years they fought tooth and nail to bring in Sunday collections and then they fought tooth and nail a while later to take them out again.
Royal Mail is a spinning wheel, wait long enought and the same thing comes round again, with a slightly different twist.

[iainwilson]

It’s around £16 an hour and there are no collections just drops and 1st hour in depot unloading one trailer then loading van

[Alexei]

Seems many folk in my office have misinterpreted this as a given that we will be working Sunday's. I've often thought RM should look to capture that market (if it exists) and offer it up to the overtime crew. Some people are happy to earn, so although most will turn up their noses at the opportunity, there will be some that will bite the businesses hand off for it.

How successful it will be is another matter, I suppose in the future if successful then it could be part of the working week in a rota restructuring.

[Sugar]

It’s around £16 an hour and there are no collections just drops and 1st hour in depot unloading one trailer then loading van

Geez that's sh!t!!!! I was on more than that over 20 years ago in a previous job.

Seems many folk in my office have misinterpreted this as a given that we will be working Sunday's.

Give it 5 years and it'll be a given that it's compulsory for more and more employees. Once the 3 new parcel hubs are up and running they'll have the scope then to have a Sunday parcel delivery operation and maybe even collecting from customers homes. IMHO.

How they actually get to a fully functioning Sunday service is another matter. This is royal fail and they are pretty poor at brining in new ways of working.