Vaccine

[daveyeff]

ive had the flu also and I'M still here. but may not have been were it not for the vaccine cos when i get it, i get it bad.when i get the the flu vaccine i know that i can STILL get flu, its not a silver bullet as you rightly point out,.. but it reduces the chances of getting it, and eases my fears almost 100%. i would rather have it and not worry, than NOT have it and be on edge worrying about it all flu season.

[PostmanBitesDog]

Fvckin' hell. Boris showing his carelessness again. What a pillock.

[PostmanBitesDog]

This is unbelievable. I bet there're patients here in the UK who're just as ignorant.

From Crooks & Liars:

COVID isn't real, Joe Biden will ruin the United States, and this cannot be happening to them are common complaints she often hears. And then the patient dies.

Emergency room nurse Jodi Doering's series of tweets this weekend were of horrific stories of patients dying of the coronavirus while in denial that: COVID-19 even exists; that Joe Biden is going to ruin the United States; and this cannot be happening to them. "It’s like a f***ing horror movie that never ends. There’s no credits that roll. You just go back and do it all over again."

South Dakota has among the worst death rates from COVID-19 per capita of anywhere in the world right now, according to data compiled by the New York Times.

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[RICARD020191962]

Beggars belief really. But you just have to read the posts on other threads ie Facemask wearing to come to the conclusion that there are plenty here also in denial about the virus. No matter how much data the mainstream media report they continue to downplay its deadly existence.

[wandle]

People are not in denial that coronavirus exists, or that it is indeed fatal for some who get it. But are the government’s measures in attempting to control the spread of the virus targeted properly, given that the average age of death from covid is 82.4 years of age ?
The man speaking in the House Of Representatives (link below) about California Governor Gavin Newsom (a breaker of his own state’s covid rules) puts some very valid arguments that apply as equally in the UK as they do in the US. Are the restrictions we are living under properly thought-out, logical, targeted and proportionate? The overwhelming majority of deaths from covid are in persons aged 60 or more, with pre-existing medical conditions. The number of deaths in the UK of persons under 60 who didn’t have pre-existing medical conditions is 339, just 0.9% of 37,470 covid deaths

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https://youtu.be/O1CiFXtfrK0

[PostmanBitesDog]

People are not in denial that coronavirus exists, or that it is indeed fatal for some who get it.

Most people around the world aren't in denial about its existence, but those people who do deny it happen to be located in places that are often fed misinformation or are simply naïve. North and South Dakota are prime examples. As per the comment above, many of the people in the two Midwestern and northern U.S. regions are quite frankly not accepting the reality of the pandemic. And this is a main cause for the two states having the world's worst number of coronavirus cases thus far.

While older people are vulnerable to the deadly effects of the virus, we also have to take into account that the younger and asymptomatic population can be carriers who spread COVID-19 to the rest of the community.

[wandle]

People are not in denial that coronavirus exists, or that it is indeed fatal for some who get it.

Most people around the world aren't in denial about its existence, but those people who do deny it happen to be located in places that are often fed misinformation or are simply naïve. North and South Dakota are prime examples. As per the comment above, many of the people in the two Midwestern and northern U.S. regions are quite frankly not accepting the reality of the pandemic. And this is a main cause for the two states having the world's worst number of coronavirus cases thus far.

While older people are vulnerable to the deadly effects of the virus, we also have to take into account that the younger and asymptomatic population can be carriers who spread COVID-19 to the rest of the community.

Leaving aside that the true definition of a case is one that requires medical intervention (which a positive test alone is not actually a case), the number of deaths in the higher of those two states is 1.75% of those positive tests. 840 deaths is 0.11% of their 2019 population
Whilst I don’t disagree that the number of cases in both North and South Dakota are high, this shift by governments to focussing on cases rather than hospitalisations and deaths is somewhat worrying. There seems to be an agenda to keep the fear levels as high as possible. No context or comparison with deaths from other causes is ever included, to keep a sense of proportion.
The risk of asymptomatic transmission is now being used as a weapon in this psychological torment. If anyone can be a carrier - even outwardly healthy people - then it would be very easy for politicians to then use this as justification for a continuation or strengthening of restrictions, rules and control over every aspect of our lives.
Young people will understandably be last in priority for any vaccine (unless they have health problems that make them more vulnerable). The danger with the asymptomatic transmission line is that it implies young people should be barred from mixing with older people in any settings, indefinitely.
Many everyday interactions could be said to have the potential to cause the deaths of others, yet draconian measures in an attempt to reduce that potential have not been implemented. A balance needs to be struck between risk and the erosion or destruction of civil liberties. Should driving cars be banned, on the basis that every week, 15 people die in road accidents in the UK ?

[Woody Guthrie]

Leaving aside that the true definition of a case is one that requires medical intervention

That is absolute nonsense.
A case definition in epidemiological terms has nothing to do with medical intervention.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/ ... tion5.html

You are just parroting bullshit someone else has told you.

[Schiff]

A balance needs to be struck between risk and the erosion or destruction of civil liberties. Should driving cars be banned, on the basis that every week, 15 people die in road accidents in the UK ?

There is a huge difference between deaths from this disease and those from driving a car. I'm sure that you're not really that dense that you don't understand that.

If 15 people die each week in car accidents at a steady rate then a balance is struck between the risks and benefits of driving a car. Over the years steps are taken to make cars and roads safer in order to further reduce the death toll.

With this virus things are very different. The natural reinfection rate (R) is around 3. Without measures in place to restrict its transmission then one person on average infects another 3. Each of those infects another three and so on.

Do you imagine that we wouldn't move to ban cars from the road if the 15 deaths in one week somehow meant that 45 would die the next, 135 the week after then 405, 1215, 3645, 10935 with almost 100,000 dying on the roads in the eighth week after those initial 15 deaths and closer to a million a couple of weeks after that?

[wandle]

A balance needs to be struck between risk and the erosion or destruction of civil liberties. Should driving cars be banned, on the basis that every week, 15 people die in road accidents in the UK ?

There is a huge difference between deaths from this disease and those from driving a car. I'm sure that you're not really that dense that you don't understand that.

If 15 people die each week in car accidents at a steady rate then a balance is struck between the risks and benefits of driving a car. Over the years steps are taken to make cars and roads safer in order to further reduce the death toll.

With this virus things are very different. The natural reinfection rate (R) is around 3. Without measures in place to restrict its transmission then one person on average infects another 3. Each of those infects another three and so on.

Do you imagine that we wouldn't move to ban cars from the road if the 15 deaths in one week somehow meant that 45 would die the next, 135 the week after then 405, 1215, 3645, 10935 with almost 100,000 dying on the roads in the eighth week after those initial 15 deaths and closer to a million a couple of weeks after that?

You are making a false comparison, that every case and every person that it is passed to, dies. This is not Ebola. This is a disease that has a 99% survival rate

[Schiff]

A balance needs to be struck between risk and the erosion or destruction of civil liberties. Should driving cars be banned, on the basis that every week, 15 people die in road accidents in the UK ?

There is a huge difference between deaths from this disease and those from driving a car. I'm sure that you're not really that dense that you don't understand that.

If 15 people die each week in car accidents at a steady rate then a balance is struck between the risks and benefits of driving a car. Over the years steps are taken to make cars and roads safer in order to further reduce the death toll.

With this virus things are very different. The natural reinfection rate (R) is around 3. Without measures in place to restrict its transmission then one person on average infects another 3. Each of those infects another three and so on.

Do you imagine that we wouldn't move to ban cars from the road if the 15 deaths in one week somehow meant that 45 would die the next, 135 the week after then 405, 1215, 3645, 10935 with almost 100,000 dying on the roads in the eighth week after those initial 15 deaths and closer to a million a couple of weeks after that?

You are making a false comparison, that every case and every person that it is passed to, dies. This is not Ebola. This is a disease that has a 99% survival rate

No false comparison. The number of deaths increase in proportion to the number of cases.

If there had been no restrictions and the virus had been allowed to run free with cases increasing exponentially, with maybe 50 million of the UK's 67 million population infected within around 4 months what would a 1% death toll look like then. Then add in extra deaths for those who could have been saved but there was no hospital bed. Imagine the corpses being buried in mass graves as we didn't have the facilities to bury or cremate them in the normal way.

Carry on with your whinges about your loss of civil liberties. Because most of us have endured them as necessary we will hopefully see the back of this disease with the vaccination programme having reached most of the vulnerable by the middle of next year. Then we will remember those of our colleagues who were too precious to wear a face mask or keep their distance and we will show them exactly the same level of respect that they showed us. Any chance to shaft them will be eagerly taken.

[RTP]

So it's now been confirmed that the covid vaccine in the UK will not be mandatory.

The anti mask and anti vaccine brigade will be free to carry on being selflish dicks by strutting around shops with no masks on telling us all we are sheep until it dawns on them that they can't go abroad on their precious holidays without a vaccination, because other countrys won't accept them possibly spreading covid . Que the backtracking.

[zz666]

Back to shared vans which will put some noses out of joint.

[PostmanBitesDog]

Oh jeez, now what?



The Guardian (Dec. 14, 2020) ~ New Strain of Covid-19 May be Cause of Rise in Cases, Hancock Tells MPs

A new Covid-19 variant has been identified in the UK, the health secretary has revealed, suggesting it could be linked to the rapid spread of the virus in south-east England as millions more people in London are being moved into the toughest restrictions.

Cases of the strain have been found in almost 60 areas, Matt Hancock disclosed, although he stressed that clinical advice suggested it was “highly unlikely” the mutation would fail to respond to a vaccine.

[k979aaa]

So it's now been confirmed that the covid vaccine in the UK will not be mandatory.

The anti mask and anti vaccine brigade will be free to carry on being selflish dicks by strutting around shops with no masks on telling us all we are sheep until it dawns on them that they can't go abroad on their precious holidays without a vaccination, because other countrys won't accept them possibly spreading covid . Que the backtracking.

Since when has a vaccine been a cure all for bigotry and ignorance should look what vaccines do before you comment!