Why were people so blind???

Post by **weetrogg** » 10 Dec 2007, 15:11

As many of you may be aware i voted no because i thinks its a terrible agreement, but its been accepted by the majority and thats that. I work in an MC an during the run up to the ballot, i kept hearing the statement"it only affects DOs" well the day after the ballot results, they asked for 20 volunteers to go to local DOs and do walks, jesus did they whinge!!! Now it was voluntary so nobody took up the offer, but how long will it remain voluntary??? The point im making is that people simply did not read the agreement, and i believe that most MCs up and down the country voted this in on the basis it wont affect ME, well im sorry its going to affect MCs the most because thats where most jobs will be lost, thats where RM will be getting there staff from to cover local DOs and all those who are complaining and thinks its not fair, if you would of just took a short time to examine the agreement you would have seen the future!!!
How people cannot be bothered to read an agreement that will have such a dramatic impact on there lives is beyond me, the only thing more shocking is how many idiots

didnt bother to vote!!! Well no point complaining to manager about this as they will say "Well you voted it in" another funny thing is out of all those complaining not one of them voted yes

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Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 10 Dec 2007, 15:14

Moved into the MC room as it will be interesting to get the views of the MC and RDC guys.

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 10 Dec 2007, 15:31

weetrog wrote "out of all those complainig none of them voted yes"

And there goes another flying pig!!!!!!!

newpostie · Post by **newpostie** » 10 Dec 2007, 15:43

yeah i heard somthing interesting at my DO today, that anyone one spare in the offices have to go to mail centres! never eard that before

Post by **weetrogg** » 10 Dec 2007, 15:49

Hey jaffa i was being sarcastic, funnily enough one of my mates who openly voted yes, which is his democratic right, didnt complain because he read the agreement and although he doesnt think its a good agreement he voted yes because he has completely lost faith in the union leadership and did not think that they are capable of better, now thats a damning inditment of the state of OUR union!!!

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Post by **Carnoustie** » 10 Dec 2007, 15:58

Weetrogg, I work in an RDC and encountered similar views, although to be fair it was only a small number of people.
We have a lot of agency staff, and Royal Mail seem to 'align resources to workload' by having fewer agency people on days when volumes of mail are lower. But I have warned our guys that it does not mean that on quiet days, when there are no agency staff in at all, RM won't send us home 30mins early and want that time back 'for free' later.

I think too many people throughout Royal Mail (not just in MCs and RDCs) did not read the agreement, or did but just wanted a lump-sum and the backpay in their wallets before Xmas. I thought only horses were blinkered, but such people are going to pay a heavy price in the future for being too keen to grab what will turn out to be only about Â£238 after tax, NI and pension deductions

As you know, I have posted on here before about my astonishment that over 40,000 people who are willing to strike and lose Â£50+ on each strike day, then don't even bother to vote at all when they have a chance to do so. I have met some people who admit to voting Yes, and whilst I disagree with their reasons for doing so (because I voted NO), it's the ones who did not vote at all that make me

There weren't 40,000 union members working normally during the strikes, so the non-voters must have included a hell of a lot of strikers. Presumably, they thought the deal was cr@p, so couldn't bring themselves to vote Yes. But if they'd got their No votes filled-in and submitted, the ballot result could have been different. Or at least such a narrow Yes that RM can't assume that all they have to do is drag future negotiations on and on until it's near Xmas, on the basis that 'those lemmings will vote for any deal, no matter how bad it is'

As they say in Yorkshire, "there's nowt so queer as folk"

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 10 Dec 2007, 16:17

weetrogg wrote:Hey jaffa i was being sarcastic, funnily enough one of my mates who openly voted yes, which is his democratic right, didnt complain because he read the agreement and although he doesnt think its a good agreement he voted yes because he has completely lost faith in the union leadership and did not think that they are capable of better, now thats a damning inditment of the state of OUR union!!!

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Hi weetrogg So was i

Post by **weetrogg** » 10 Dec 2007, 16:24

Its amazing that people would strike and lose money, an then basically not have an opinion!!! We all know why this deal got through- the british mentality of f**k everyone else as long as im ok!!

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theflyingpostman · Post by **theflyingpostman** » 10 Dec 2007, 17:15

newpostie wrote:yeah i heard somthing interesting at my DO today, that anyone one spare in the offices have to go to mail centres! never eard that before

This could work both ways but it's more likely to be Mail Center guys being sent to the D.O.s

haveagojoe · Post by **haveagojoe** » 10 Dec 2007, 21:50

newpostie wrote:yeah i heard somthing interesting at my DO today, that anyone one spare in the offices have to go to mail centres! never eard that before

Thats been done for years in Liverpool

Post by **Flashman** » 11 Dec 2007, 00:20

This is second or third time now that I have heard someone lay the blame of the 'yes vote' firmly at the feet of those who work in MCs.

I think it is a very dangerous thing to do and will ultimately lead to a divide in the union with MCs going one way and deliveries another.
I remember hearing exactly the same thing about the 'Way Forward' only that time it was the MCs blaming the DO staff.

Post by **Flashman** » 11 Dec 2007, 00:21

double post.

Post by **weetrogg** » 11 Dec 2007, 12:45

Flashman my personal belief is that is that MCs did swing this vote and it was DOs that swung the way forward, but the real point is that it has now been agree so we have reorganise and get ready for what i think will be dramatic changes to our terms and working conditions. It was a democratic vote so their is no need to apportion blame, i was just stating my view but i still find it unbeleivable that 40,000+ could form an opinion!!!

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Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 11 Dec 2007, 15:14

weetrogg wrote:Flashman my personal belief is that is that MCs did swing this vote and it was DOs that swung the way forward, but the real point is that it has now been agree so we have reorganise and get ready for what i think will be dramatic changes to our terms and working conditions. It was a democratic vote so their is no need to apportion blame, i was just stating my view but i still find it unbeleivable that 40,000+ could form an opinion!!!

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I am thinking that should read "I still find it unbelievable that 40,000+ could NOT form an opinion!!!

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Post by **weetrogg** » 11 Dec 2007, 18:37

Terrier ,it certainly should

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