Compulsory Wearing of Facemasks Indoors

ddtc · Post by **ddtc** » 07 Nov 2020, 17:54

And the business needs to look after all employees and so need to make arrangements for that to work. So what do you suggest? Royal Mail to ignore who does what and risk everyones lives?

2yearpostie · Post by **2yearpostie** » 07 Nov 2020, 17:56

k979aaa wrote:
2yearpostie wrote:Either way the company have stated if you want to continue having a job with them you need to wear a face covering/visor while your in the building. It doesn't matter if it does or does not stop the thread it is now a mandatory part of employment like signing on or scanning parcels.
No it does not work like that medical exemptions are allowed stop spouting bull s**t that some people will believe.

Sorry mate but thats how it is, if you are exempt like me thats the options and what ive agreed to with my dom.

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 07 Nov 2020, 18:00

k979aaa wrote:
Sir Henry wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
2yearpostie wrote:Either way the company have stated if you want to continue having a job with them you need to wear a face covering/visor while your in the building. It doesn't matter if it does or does not stop the thread it is now a mandatory part of employment like signing on or scanning parcels.
No it does not work like that medical exemptions are allowed stop spouting bull s**t that some people will believe.
Post-irony.
Would you care to elaborate?

In thus case, not particularly.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 07 Nov 2020, 18:07

2yearpostie wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
2yearpostie wrote:Either way the company have stated if you want to continue having a job with them you need to wear a face covering/visor while your in the building. It doesn't matter if it does or does not stop the thread it is now a mandatory part of employment like signing on or scanning parcels.
No it does not work like that medical exemptions are allowed stop spouting bull s**t that some people will believe.
Sorry mate but thats how it is, if you are exempt like me thats the options and what ive agreed to with my dom.

Well that's your problem

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 07 Nov 2020, 18:08

k979aaa wrote:I do want to save lives but mask's face coverings are not doing it look at Spain and France they have far stricter laws and enforcement and they have failed as they have far worse case rates than the UK.

Correlation is not causation. Other countries data would also have to be harmonised (how far along the "2nd wave" they are, among a myriad of other variables) with our own before any meaningful comparison can be made. And that's before we can even think about trying to pin the blame on the failure of masks. Having said that one of the more vociferous proponents of mandatory mask wearing in our office (a gobshite) wears one with vents which allows any germs or viruses the wearer may be carrying into the surrounding air.

k979aaa wrote: We need a better way than lock downs and mass unemployment for that is where we are heading with no money for the NHS or pensions or welfare payments.

See Tory ideals re: Defunding and privatisation by the back door (oo-er missus. Obv.) of the NHS But that's ok as US trade deals will soon see massive investment in hospitals lol.

k979aaa wrote: And belittling people who don't ware masks anywhere is hardly sowing the seeds of friendship and happiness and prosperity for all as it is easy to judge someone with out knowing their own storieor circumstances!

Its fun too.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 07 Nov 2020, 18:24

Sir Henry wrote:
k979aaa wrote:I do want to save lives but mask's face coverings are not doing it look at Spain and France they have far stricter laws and enforcement and they have failed as they have far worse case rates than the UK.

Correlation is not causation. Other countries data would also have to be harmonised (how far along the "2nd wave" they are, among a myriad of other variables) with our own before any meaningful comparison can be made. And that's before we can even think about trying to pin the blame on the failure of masks. Having said that one of the more vociferous proponents of mandatory mask wearing in our office (a gobshite) wears one with vents which allows any germs or viruses the wearer may be carrying into the surrounding air.

k979aaa wrote: We need a better way than lock downs and mass unemployment for that is where we are heading with no money for the NHS or pensions or welfare payments.
See Tory ideals re: Defunding and privatisation by the back door (oo-er missus. Obv.) of the NHS But that's ok as US trade deals will soon see massive investment in hospitals lol.

k979aaa wrote: And belittling people who don't ware masks anywhere is hardly sowing the seeds of friendship and happiness and prosperity for all as it is easy to judge someone with out knowing their own storieor circumstances!
Its fun too.

Point one is not valid as it is questionable whether their is any data but the fact remains we are part of the world and the world does not revolve around us so at sometime we will all face the challenges of COVID-19
Point two possibly agree with your assumption but that's why we have an oven ready deal with the EU?
Point three it is not fun being on here defending the rights and wrongs of others just to be called a C*** by some poster on here so personal abuse is allowed on here not inferring you sir henry or ddtc who have been civil but others not so!

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 07 Nov 2020, 19:09

Fourth time I've tried to reply but the iPad dies each time so I'm heartily tired of repeating myself and have lost the thread of my argument.

So sorry for the brevity.

High rate of rate cases in 2 countries who more rigorously enforce mask wearing does not equal masks inefficacy.
1st point is not invalidated due to presumption of lack of data only not proved but seeing as proof wasn't the intention only that your assertion was just a correlation and didn't show causation. Unless you know something we are missing that is?

Good grief I might continue this later as it could descend into a cyclical argument.

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 07 Nov 2020, 19:50

Marge "Homer, it's very easy to criticise."
Homer " Fun too."

I base my life on his teachings.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 07 Nov 2020, 20:49

Sir Henry wrote:Fourth time I've tried to reply but the iPad dies each time so I'm heartily tired of repeating myself and have lost the thread of my argument.

So sorry for the brevity.

High rate of rate cases in 2 countries who more rigorously enforce mask wearing does not equal masks inefficacy.
1st point is not invalidated due to presumption of lack of data only not proved but seeing as proof wasn't the intention only that your assertion was just a correlation and didn't show causation. Unless you know something we are missing that is?

Good grief I might continue this later as it could descend into a cyclical argument.

Think there is a problem with the website or their local area connection

PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 07 Nov 2020, 21:08

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k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 07 Nov 2020, 21:33

I do fight for rights not just my own but for others on here get no thanks for it nor do I want any funny cartoons are fun it's not fun when called a c*** by someone on here it's not nice we can all laugh about things but not personal vindictiveness about someone he/she don't even know.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 07 Nov 2020, 22:38

k979aaa wrote:I do fight for rights not just my own but for others on here get no thanks for it nor do I want any funny cartoons are fun it's not fun when called a c*** by someone on here it's not nice we can all laugh about things but not personal vindictiveness about someone he/she don't even know.

I have deleted the thread where you were called the C word, and I would also ask everyone looking in not to name call or be abusive as it just turns the thread into a row.

sindba · Post by **sindba** » 07 Nov 2020, 23:25

Wear a mask or get another job

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 07 Nov 2020, 23:33

sindba wrote:Wear a mask or get another job

Get a life

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 08 Nov 2020, 06:58

The answer to a request for clarification from the union.

The Divisional Reps have received enquires on the RM announcement on precautionary measures to combat Covid19 including the mandatory use of face masks/visors.

“We haven’t seen any LTB yet on mandatory mask wearing.

We did have conversation with senior managers last week in regard to this.

The Scottish Government has advised that face masks should be worn Indoors in communal work areas and when moving around. The Divisional Reps support this. Staff who are exempt from wearing face masks can be supplied with visors, and managers should maintain a stock of both from Assets.

This requirement predated the announcement from Royal Mail that face mask wearing would be compulsory from Monday.

We have assurances from senior Managers that non compliance is not a matter for conduct but for adult conversations. You should report any divergence from this to us.

Staff would need a good reason not to comply with this health and safety measure and there are none that we can think of, however, the requirement for Delivery and Distribution staff who spend perhaps two hours Indoors differs from MAil Centre and other staff who may be performing 7.48 indoors or in some cases 10 or 12 hours. Mask wearing might well be uncomfortable in these circumstances and grace breaks should be allowed.

Communication with the hearing impaired will have to be considered.

In addition it has been pointed out to us that staff who wear glasses may suffer from misting which may affect there safety while performing certain tasks. Visors may resolve this.

We would recommend a sensible approach to this which avoids threat based management.
At the end of the day the employer has mandated face masks as per the instruction, this is supported by the public health authorities as a precautionary health measure to prevent spread of a serious disease.”