Jen1 wrote:Of course covid cases were going to go up it's a virus and we're heading to winter when does every other virus strike!
Seems like the perfect time to go back to van sharing doesnt it?
Cant believe you typed that sentence out in a post championing relaxing the restrictions.
good point!
But still I don't know how your office is coping but we have duties that only get done every other day and it's hell with double mail and double packets now so imagine what it'll be like with the extra Christmas mail. I haven't heard anyone come up with a better alternative
Jen1 wrote:Of course covid cases were going to go up it's a virus and we're heading to winter when does every other virus strike!
Seems like the perfect time to go back to van sharing doesnt it?
Cant believe you typed that sentence out in a post championing relaxing the restrictions.
good point!
But still I don't know how your office is coping but we have duties that only get done every other day and it's hell with double mail and double packets now so imagine what it'll be like with the extra Christmas mail. I haven't heard anyone come up with a better alternative
Heres an alternative
Stop worrying about how many parcels there are and how much mail there is and work your hours
Its only stressful if you feel the need to clear it everyday
Thats for management to worry about not you.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
Jen1 wrote:Well it's been lovely having the van to myself. Having my break whenever I wanted. Being able to eat as much garlic as I felt like the night before but I agree with RM, as do a lot of my collegues, it's about time we got back to normal especially with xmas round the corner
I feel like some of you want RM to go bust???!!!??
Of course covid cases were going to go up it's a virus and we're heading to winter when does every other virus strike! Plus with all the regular colds going about that have similar symptoms to covid obviously more people are going to get tested and so more tests equals more known cases
It would be lovely if we could all have a van each all the time but it's obviously not cost effective or they'd of done that by now plus where would they put them all?
Also I don't get why we can't share a van with the person we've been working next to all morning but it's ok to get in a taxi with a driver you know nothing about who's had god knows how many passengers before you who have handled the seat belts and handles etc that you've obviously also come into contact with
Jen1 wrote:Well it's been lovely having the van to myself. Having my break whenever I wanted. Being able to eat as much garlic as I felt like the night before but I agree with RM, as do a lot of my collegues, it's about time we got back to normal especially with xmas round the corner
I feel like some of you want RM to go bust???!!!??
Of course covid cases were going to go up it's a virus and we're heading to winter when does every other virus strike! Plus with all the regular colds going about that have similar symptoms to covid obviously more people are going to get tested and so more tests equals more known cases
It would be lovely if we could all have a van each all the time but it's obviously not cost effective or they'd of done that by now plus where would they put them all?
Also I don't get why we can't share a van with the person we've been working next to all morning but it's ok to get in a taxi with a driver you know nothing about who's had god knows how many passengers before you who have handled the seat belts and handles etc that you've obviously also come into contact with
Selfish as fk post
I don't think that having an opinion different to yours is the definition of being selfish. I really don't see how wanting to get mail and gifts to my customers on time can be seen as selfish??
Jen1 wrote:Well it's been lovely having the van to myself. Having my break whenever I wanted. Being able to eat as much garlic as I felt like the night before but I agree with RM, as do a lot of my collegues, it's about time we got back to normal especially with xmas round the corner
I feel like some of you want RM to go bust???!!!??
Of course covid cases were going to go up it's a virus and we're heading to winter when does every other virus strike! Plus with all the regular colds going about that have similar symptoms to covid obviously more people are going to get tested and so more tests equals more known cases
It would be lovely if we could all have a van each all the time but it's obviously not cost effective or they'd of done that by now plus where would they put them all?
Also I don't get why we can't share a van with the person we've been working next to all morning but it's ok to get in a taxi with a driver you know nothing about who's had god knows how many passengers before you who have handled the seat belts and handles etc that you've obviously also come into contact with
Selfish as fk post
I don't think that having an opinion different to yours is the definition of being selfish. I really don't see how wanting to get mail and gifts to my customers on time can be seen as selfish??
To be fair it IS selfish that you think its acceptable for colleagues to put their health and their families health at risk all because you care too much about what the people you deliver to think ( they are not your customers btw ) and you personally are lackadaisical about keeping yourself as safe as you can
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
I don't really get how on a forum where the majority of people claim to.
1.Not start early.
2.Take their breaks.
3.Only work their contracted hours or overtime if they want to...
........ can complain about how "it's too hard" to work under the current restrictions. The same applies as at any other time of the year. You have a start time and a finish time etc.
A return to van sharing is not going to mean an end to staggered starts, it will just mean that full-time staff will be paired together on the early shift and part-time staff on the later shifts, it will not mean a reduction in the workload, the parcels will still be through the roof. If anything it will mean more pressure on staff to complete because after all you have no excuse now.
It's pretty obvious that those who choose to van share will be expected to pick up the slack from those that don't, that is going to be so funny to watch.
dolphlundgren73 wrote:As a Health and Safety rep myself i do not see any reason for not van sharing ,if correctly done.
Had the Government said all workers stay at home until a cure for the virus is found then we would all be doing that
Unfortunately we are key workers and have to go to work. Paramedics,police,binmen, council workers, rail workers ...etc are all van sharing There has been no evidence that there has been increased cases of covid 19 due to van share.
The CWU has not been very supportive during this crisis, particularly local reps . They have been almost completely silent for 6 months. Suddenly they come to life and oppose plans to ask staff if they would like to van share.They have no solid reasoning why they oppose it ,other than jump on the " increased covid cases" band wagon.
If they checked the facts ,that increase is due to people socialising in big groups and visiting other places/households not in their own bubble.
If they oppose Van Share then CWU should also oppose working together in delivery offices.Most delivery offices are cramped for space and find it near impossible to find space.
The bottom line is that if we stop working or do our best to avoid working then ultimately Royal Mail will continue to lose even more money and guess what? That means job losses.
Covid 19 aint going away this year or next year. The world health organisation says its very unlikely that a cure will be found . Look at HIV.Nearly 40 years after that virus arrived and still no nearer to cure.
The way to deal with this virus and stay safe is follow guidelines.Wash hands,wear masks and limit contact .
I see the real reasons for CWU members opposing van shares and very few are on the side of health and safety.
Many of those that support CWU (or rather Terry Pullinger and Dave Wards suggestions as the CWU should be members decisions based on truth ) ,they are the same staff who have had the luxury of working by themselves for 6 months doing the same duty every day whilst the partner or other staff members are moved from one duty to another (often with vast workloads).
Thats why the majority are opposing van shares as they look at self interest rather than safety.
There are staff who are suffering mentally from not van sharing anymore. They cant cope with constant change. CWU should take that on board as they are meant to be a lead in "Mental Health".
If you were health and safety rep in my unit I'd be motioning a vote of no confidence!
Jen1 wrote:Of course covid cases were going to go up it's a virus and we're heading to winter when does every other virus strike!
Seems like the perfect time to go back to van sharing doesnt it?
Cant believe you typed that sentence out in a post championing relaxing the restrictions.
good point!
But still I don't know how your office is coping but we have duties that only get done every other day and it's hell with double mail and double packets now so imagine what it'll be like with the extra Christmas mail. I haven't heard anyone come up with a better alternative
double mail and double packets you do what you can manage no point getting stressed just bring the mail back work your hours its there problem dont make it yours
Grumpyoldmailman wrote:A manager will be round with a clipboard tomorrow asking who will and won’t van share. Those who don’t will be punished with late shifts. You watch.
Was informed yesterday managers in a large city area near here are already threatening staff with being moved onto the afternoon shift if they don't agree to it.
As usual it looks like the company decided exactly what it wanted and to the hell with the workforce.
They rely too much on part timers to start early and do stack/prep for that to happen.
And they think people will stand for being moved to lates and carry on bailing them out?
6 hours with no prep done minus break doesn't leave much time for delivery if they expect you to do say 2-8.
Start the delivery in the dark pretty soon, good luck.
Can't see many people sticking those hours for too long.
Dexydog wrote:They rely too much on part timers to start early and do stack/prep for that to happen.
And they think people will stand for being moved to lates and carry on bailing them out?
6 hours with no prep done minus break doesn't leave much time for delivery if they expect you to do say 2-8.
Start the delivery in the dark pretty soon, good luck.
Can't see many people sticking those hours for too long.
Theres one here that will only be doing 5 hrs if thats the game, weather thats deliver or prep and deliver what i can is up to them.
It won't be all deliver cos who will be doing the prep?
At best on a 5 hour contract they'll get 2 lines a day out of you, maybe less as the mail piles up through the week.
Trouble is there'll always be someone that wants/needs the overtime.
So come in at 12, book 2 hours and maybe you'll finish the walk-providing you like walking in the dark for the last 3 hours.
If you're a non driver who's going to drop your bags?
I honestly think it's all bluster- if not they'll soon find out it won't work.
good point!